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klariso
01-20-2016, 05:01 AM
The rules are simple: we tackle one multi-nominated Oscar winner per round. Just vote for which of their Oscar nominated work would you have given them the Oscar -- the number depends on their actual Oscar wins. Whether you gauge it as their best nominated career work or their best among the nominees work is definitely up to you.


Round 41 Results: Peter Lamont

Titanic - 25 votes
Aliens - 5 votes
The Spy Who Loved Me - 0 vote
Fiddler on the Roof - 0 vote


Let's grab the opportunity while she doesn't have any film in contention this year!


MERYL STREEP



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1978: The Deer Hunter

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*1979: Kramer vs. Kramer

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1981: The French Lieutenant's Woman

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*1982: Sophie's Choice

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1983: Silkwood

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1985: Out of Africa

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1987: Ironweed

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1988: A Cry in the Dark

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1990: Postcards from the Edge

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1995: The Bridges of Madison County

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1998: One True Thing

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1999: Music of the Heart

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2002: Adaptation

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2006: The Devil Wears Prada

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2008: Doubt

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2009: Julie & Julia

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*2011: The Iron Lady

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2013: August: Osage County

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2014: Into the Woods




Previous Results:
(in bold are their actual Oscar wins)

01. Steven Spielberg (Schindler's List, Raiders of the Lost Ark)
02. Sissy Spacek (Coal Miner's Daughter)
03. Colleen Atwood (Sleepy Hollow, Memoirs of a Geisha, Chicago)
04. Javier Bardem, (No Country for Old Men)
05. Henry Mancini, (Breakfast at Tiffany's, The Pink Panther)
06. Julia Roberts, (Erin Brockovich)
07. Emmanuel Lubezki (The Tree of Life, Children of Men)
08. Jack Lemmon (Some Like It Hot, The Apartment)
09. Ethan Coen and Joel Coen (Fargo, No Country for Old Men)
10. Renee Zellweger (Bridget Jones's Diary)
11. Anna Pinnock (The Grand Budapest Hotel)
12. Denzel Washington (Malcolm X, Glory))
13. Randy Newman (You've Got a Friend in Me, When She Loved Me)
14. Shirley Maclaine (The Apartment)
15. Thelma Schoonmaker (Raging Bull, Goodfellas, The Departed)
16. Philip Seymour Hoffman (The Master)
17. Roman Polanski (Chinatown)
18. Marisa Tomei (The Wrestler)
19. Wally Pfister (The Dark Knight)
20. Paul Newman (Cool Hand Luke)
21. Charlie Kaufman (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind)
22. Audrey Hepburn (Breakfast at Tiffany's)
23. Ann Roth (The Talented Mr. Ripley)
24. Geoffrey Rush (Shine)
25. William H. Reynolds (The Godfather, The Sting)
26. Shelley Winters (A Place in the Sun, The Diary of Anne Frank)
27. John Myhre (Memoirs of a Geisha, Elizabeth)
28. Al Pacino (The Godfather Part II)
29. Phil Collins (Against All Odds)
30. Frances McDormand (Fargo)
31. Mike Nichols (Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?)
32.Tommy Lee Jones (Lincoln)
33. Conrad L. Hall (In Cold Blood,American Beauty, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid)
34. Julianne Moore (Far From Heaven)
35. James L. Brooks (Broadcast News)
36. Laurence Olivier (Rebecca)
37. Sandy Powell (Velvet Goldmine, Orlando, The Aviator)
38. Ellen Burstyn (Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore)
39. Mike Hill & Daniel P. Hanley (Apollo 13)
40. George Clooney (Up in the Air)
41. Peter Lamont (Titanic)

McTeague
01-20-2016, 05:28 AM
Bwahahaha, the one we all were waiting for.

2 Oscars for her in my book: Sophie's Choice and Bridges.

If I were absolutely forced to pick a third one... I'll have to think about that.

Russell74
01-20-2016, 05:30 AM
Sophie's Choice
The Bridges of Madison County
Adaptation

jb
01-20-2016, 05:33 AM
Kramer
Sophie
Bridges

McTeague
01-20-2016, 05:41 AM
What to do with the third... Silkwood is her third best to me, but I'd never award her over Debra Winger in Terms, who gives one of my favorite performances... So, maybe Prada! I don't think she's better than Mirren or Cruz, but I don't feel so strongly about either Mirren or Cruz so to not allow a Streep win for her best comedic work.

Oh, wait, none of my absolute faves were nominated in supporting last year, so, that's it. Into the Woods! She was the best in her category, easily.

RayB
01-20-2016, 05:42 AM
The only one where I think she was the absolute best of the lineup is 1995, I can't pick 1982 or 1988 because I prefer Lange and Close by FAR, so...

Kramer vs Kramer
The Bridges of Madison County
Adaptation.

jb
01-20-2016, 05:50 AM
The only one where I think she was the absolute best of the lineup is 1995, I can't pick 1982 or 1988 because I prefer Lange and Close by FAR, so...

Kramer vs Kramer
The Bridges of Madison County
Adaptation.
:yes:

Jali
01-20-2016, 05:50 AM
01. The bridges of Madison County :bow:
02. A cry in the dark
03. The french lieutenant's woman

Moviefreak
01-20-2016, 07:30 AM
The Bridges of Madison County
A Cry in the Dark
Silkwood

Tavish
01-20-2016, 08:16 AM
The Bridges of Madison County
Kramer vs Kramer
The Iron Lady [don't care what others saying]

skuLd
01-20-2016, 08:28 AM
Sophie's Choice
The Bridges of Madison County
The Devil Wears Alexander McQueen

Atonenent.
01-20-2016, 08:29 AM
01. Sophie's Choice
02. A Cry in the Dark
03. The Bridges of Madison County
04. The Devil Wears Prada
05. Kramer vs. Kramer
06. Postcards from the Edge
07. Julie & Julia
08. The French Lieutenant's Woman
09. Into the Woods
10. Adaptation
11. August: Osage County
12. The Iron Lady
13. Doubt

David Giancarlo
01-20-2016, 09:00 AM
1. August: Osage County
2. The Bridges of Madison County
3. Adaptation.

fansam
01-20-2016, 09:21 AM
1. The Bridges of Madison County
2. Sophie's choice
3. The Devil Wears Prada
4. Adaptation
5. August: Osage County

Peppin
01-20-2016, 11:16 AM
This poll should last more.

Donezo
01-20-2016, 11:20 AM
A Cry in the Dark
The Bridges of Madison County
Adaptation.

And then La Lange can win for Frances! :drool:

Igor BiH
01-20-2016, 11:24 AM
In terms of which times I would've voted for her based on the nominees, I selected Kramer vs. Kramer, Silkwood, and Adaptation (also would've voted for her in Bridges, but that's my 4th favorite of these performances). Though she's had other amazing nominated performances (Sophie's Choice, A Cry in the Dark, The Devil Wears Prada) she wasn't my favorite of those years.

Vincent
01-20-2016, 11:52 AM
1. Sophie's Choice
2. The Bridges of Madison County
3. The Devil Wears Prada

VannVicente
01-20-2016, 11:57 AM
1. Sophie's Choice
2. The Bridges of Madison County
3. The Devil Wears Prada

This.

crazyfists3600
01-20-2016, 12:44 PM
1) A Cry in the Dark
2) Kramer Vs. Kramer
3) Silkwood

:deal:

McTeague
01-20-2016, 12:46 PM
:nonono:

But welcome back! :love:

DeltaEst1903
01-20-2016, 12:53 PM
Sophie's Choice (there really isn't any other choice though).
Bridges
Prada! :deal:

Orlean
01-20-2016, 01:25 PM
All of them. :deal:


Nah, of course not, but most of them.
OMG, 3 votes for TIL! And none from me. :lol:

Sophie's Choice (best Best Actress win of all times for me personally, even if I wasn't a stan)
Adaptation ( *points to nickname* but really, she's perfect there :cry: )
The Devil wears Prada (Miranda.... :bow: )

That's all.

Blasty
01-20-2016, 01:31 PM
1. A Cry in the Dark
2. Adaptation
3. Out of Africa

Matt-10
01-20-2016, 01:41 PM
I didn't necessarily go with her absolute best, but the years I wouldn't have minded her win against the other nominees: Kramer vs. Kramer, Sophie's Choice (even though I go back and forth between her and Lange) and Into the Woods.

She's done some really great work though. She probably should have more than three Oscars.

McTeague
01-20-2016, 01:44 PM
1. A Cry in the Dark
2. Adaptation
3. Out of Africa

Um, what. Weren't you a couple of months ago praising me for setting the record straight regarding 1982 and how Streep was the rightful winner that year? What are you doing??? Have the Langsty abducted you?

Blasty
01-20-2016, 01:51 PM
Um, what. Weren't you a couple of months ago praising me for setting the record straight regarding 1982 and how Streep was the rightful winner that year? What are you doing??? Have the Langsty abducted you?

Well...I was speaking for how the performance was received by awards bodies and in pop culture...I never actually said that I thought the same thing about it... :kthxbai:

:P

I'd actually rather Lange win in '82 for this than in '94 because...Blue Sky is a no for me. Streep can win many different times for me but Lange really only makes sense in Lead in '82.

McTeague
01-20-2016, 01:56 PM
Well...I was speaking for how the performance was received by awards bodies and in pop culture...I never actually said that I thought the same thing about it... :kthxbai:

:P

I'd actually rather Lange win in '82 for this than in '94 because...Blue Sky is a no for me. Streep can win many different times for me but Lange really only makes sense in Lead in '82.

Mess. Traitor!

One can also, you know, NOT award Lange, if she's not better than her competitors in each year. And she is not better than Streep in 1982.

erikdean
01-20-2016, 02:00 PM
A Cry in the Dark
The Bridges of Madison County
Adaptation.

And then La Lange can win for Frances! :drool:
This!!

Blasty
01-20-2016, 02:04 PM
Mess. Traitor!

One can also, you know, NOT award Lange, if she's not better than her competitors in each year. And she is not better than Streep in 1982.

https://media.riffsy.com/images/ec1a0e6e1b7729f611a2e59c28ae4865/raw

I actually agree with this! :lol:

But I kinda think La Lange deserves an Oscar overall even with that filmmography (said with the kind of shade often reserved by you, guany, and others for Streep's filmmography)

Say what you will about Meryl's movies, but at least they're not Lange's! So, yeah, I threw her a bone in '82 since I'm more in love and enjoy repeat viewings more of the other Streep performances on my list.

McTeague
01-20-2016, 02:10 PM
What kinda twist, McTeague defending Streep from Blasty.

:wellinever:

francesco-natale
01-20-2016, 02:55 PM
Who is the actual favorite for 1981 ?

I'm surprised Streep has so few votes for The French's lieutenant woman.

Blasty
01-20-2016, 03:00 PM
Who is the actual favorite for 1981 ?

I'm surprised Streep has so few votes for The French's lieutenant woman.

I'm not, she sucks in it. :kthxbai:

You're probably all wondering if my account has been hacked into at this point! :lol:

Igor BiH
01-20-2016, 03:02 PM
Who is the actual favorite for 1981 ?

I'm surprised Streep has so few votes for The French's lieutenant woman.

Diane Keaton in Reds for me.

francesco-natale
01-20-2016, 03:08 PM
I'm not, she sucks in it. :kthxbai:

You're probably all wondering if my account has been hacked into at this point! :lol:

Maybe by the giant Teddy Bear on your sig ? :eek:

David Giancarlo
01-20-2016, 03:09 PM
Yeah, Blasty is right that Streep is a mess in The French Lieutenant's Woman. :vomit:

guany
01-20-2016, 03:32 PM
1978: Stapleton or Smith
1979: Streep
1981: Keaton
1982: Lange
1983: n/s Silkwood :o
1985: Goldberg
1987: n/s Ironweed lol
1988: Close
1990: Huston
1995: Streep
1998: n/s
1999: n/s
2002: Streep would be a good choice, but I love Moore and really like CZJ
2006: Mirren, Dench, or Cruz
2008: Hathaway
2009: Streep
2011: Davis or Mara
2013: Blanchett
2014: Arquette

RayB
01-20-2016, 03:34 PM
I'm not, she sucks in it. :kthxbai:

You're probably all wondering if my account has been hacked into at this point! :lol:

:clap: Her Oscar run in the 80's is impeccable IMO except for that.

crazyfists3600
01-20-2016, 03:49 PM
Mess. Traitor!

One can also, you know, NOT award Lange, if she's not better than her competitors in each year. And she is not better than Streep in 1982.

The unnominated Diane Keaton is better than both :deal:

Matt-10
01-20-2016, 03:49 PM
Streep was probably close-ish to winning for The French Lieutenant's Woman, right? She won LAFCA, Globe and BAFTA. I wonder if that would've had an effect on her win for Sophie's Choice if AMPAS rewarded her a year early.

Philip T.
01-20-2016, 03:54 PM
I'd say:

1. A Cry in the Dark
2. Sophie's Choice
3. Kramer vs Kramer

I love so many performances of her that it's really hard to rank them, I'm just sure A Cry in the Dark is her best ever.

crazyfists3600
01-20-2016, 04:01 PM
I'm just sure A Cry in the Dark is her best ever.

This

Pingy
01-20-2016, 05:17 PM
Of theses nods, Sophie, Bridges, and Julia I think are the easiest wins for me to stomach. Poor Sigourney on the other hand...




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Pingy
01-20-2016, 05:22 PM
Yeah, Blasty is right that Streep is a mess in The French Lieutenant's Woman. :vomit:

Thank HEAVENS between Blasty and you I am not alone on this(!)... :hug::no::thumbsdown:

David Giancarlo
01-20-2016, 05:32 PM
Thank HEAVENS between Blasty and you I am not alone on this(!)... :hug::no::thumbsdown:

She's actually kind of Haus of Felicia, here. I mean:

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Such a Felicia V kind of presence. :vomit:

I rest my case.

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IBergman
01-20-2016, 07:18 PM
I wonder how Sigourney really feels about Meryl. They seem friendly enough but it must be hard to be on the shadow of someone all your life.

Anyway for me it's Sophie's Choice, Bridges and Adaptation. I've never understand the hard on some of the members have for Lange or Kidman for that matter... to each their own I guess.

Clique
01-21-2016, 07:07 AM
I've only given her one win, Kramer VS Kramer. She's been my runner up a few times and has plenty of nominations.

desirelines
01-22-2016, 07:12 AM
kramer, sophie, silkwood

Rimaal
01-22-2016, 09:12 AM
The French Lieutenant's Woman
Sophie's Choice
Silkwood

Balthier
01-22-2016, 09:20 AM
The lack of support for her Into the Woods performance is... baffling? While I was lurking around here last season, the support around her Witch role seemed really big.

And she was way better there than Big-Eyes-living-overacting-portrait (Stone), self-aware-aging-mother (Arquette), Jaws (Knightley, whom I usually adore) and Dern (whom I cannot mock, because her nomination was awesome). I voted for Sophie's Choice, Bridges and ITW.

McTeague
01-22-2016, 09:42 AM
The lack of support for her Into the Woods performance is... baffling? While I was lurking around here last season, the support around her Witch role seemed really big.

And she was way better there than Big-Eyes-living-overacting-portrait (Stone), self-aware-aging-mother (Arquette), Jaws (Knightley, whom I usually adore) and Dern (whom I cannot mock, because her nomination was awesome). I voted for Sophie's Choice, Bridges and ITW.

Well said and well done.

klariso
01-22-2016, 12:13 PM
Let's have a trip down memory lane:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84DpXtxtyNg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSHOcJzXVwg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTpaaiPKFw4

jprobth
01-22-2016, 03:58 PM
I didn't know it's multiple choice so I only voted for one. :(

Out of the Oscar nominees she's up against I would vote for her 5 times:

Kramer vs. Kramer
Sophie's Choice
The Bridges of Madison County
Adaptation
Into the Woods

I have just realized, I am giving a win for each decade. That's so awesome.

I still think her best is from Sophie's Choice. The scenes with Stingo by the window where she starts telling him about her father and when she tells him she think Christ has abandoned her are heart-breaking. :cry:

Unlike a lot of people here, I love her in Ironweed so much. She doesn't have a lot of screen time but she manages to make a big impression. And her "He's Me Pal" was so brilliantly executed you can see the history of this character. I remember reading somewhere Helen Archer is one of Streep's favorite characters to play.

klariso
01-23-2016, 03:44 AM
So putting her competition in play, I'd have her like this:

1978: The Deer Hunter -third or fourth
1979: Kramer vs. Kramer - first
1981: The French Lieutenant's Woman - third after Keaton and Sarandon
1982: Sophie's Choice - first
1983: Silkwood - second afer Winger
1985: Out of Africa - third after Goldberg and Lange
1987: Ironweed - last
1988: A Cry in the Dark - goes back and forth between Close and Streep
1990: Postcards from the Edge - last
1995: The Bridges of Madison County - first
1998: One True Thing - last
1999: Music of the Heart - fourth only ahead of McTeer
2002: Adaptation - third after Moore and Zeta Jones
2006: The Devil Wears Prada - third after Cruz and Dench
2008: Doubt - third after Hathaway and Leo
2009: Julie & Julia - first
2011: The Iron Lady - first
2013: August: Osage County - fourth only ahead of Dench
2014: Into the Woods - second after Arquette

Have her first in six(!?!) instances:
Kramer vs. Kramer
Sophie's Choice
A Cry in the Dark
The Bridges of Madison County
Julie & Julia
The Iron Lady

So I guess I'll just choose from that pool. So I'd give her three lead wins for Sophie, Cry in the Dark, and Bridges of Madison County

Jali
01-23-2016, 04:31 AM
Good idea!

1978: The Deer Hunter - 3rd
1979: Kramer vs. Kramer - 2nd after Mariel Hemingway
1981: The French Lieutenant's Woman - 1rst
1982: Sophie's Choice - 3rd
1983: Silkwood - 4th
1985: Out of Africa - Last
1987: Ironweed - Last
1988: A Cry in the Dark - 1rst
1990: Postcards from the Edge - 3rd
1995: The Bridges of Madison County - 1rst
1998: One True Thing - Last
1999: Music of the Heart - Last
2002: Adaptation · 3rd
2006: The Devil Wears Prada - 4th
2008: Doubt - Last
2009: Julie & Julia - 4th
2011: The Iron Lady - 4th
2013: August: Osage County - Last
2014: Into the Woods - 2nd after Keira Knightley

Pingy
01-23-2016, 05:34 AM
Insomnia is a HAWRRIBLE thing... :ashamed:

1978: The Deer Hunter -Third behind Magz (first) and Stapleton (second, but sometimes first) and ahead of Cannon (in a riotous fourth) w/ Milford in WTF? last.

1979: Kramer vs. Kramer - First, but a weak first. It's really a toss-up between Strep, Candy, and Mother Barrie who edge out Mariel (fourth) and Alexander (fifth)

1981: The French Lieutenant's Woman - Fourth behind Keaton (first), Sarandon (second), and El Shakes (distant third). She's lucky the swamp levee broke again this year (the horror... Let's all send poor Joan Hackett some sympathy roses)

1982: Sophie's Choice - First TIED W/ Lange w/ Winger in a VERY close second (love that performance!) and ahead of Sissy (fourth) and Julie (fifth)

1983: Silkwood - Fifth([!]But it's a stacked year. Meh's terrific here.) behind Winger (first), Walters (second), Alexander (third), Shirley (fourth)

1985: Out of Africa - Dead last ( :no::thumbsdown: ) Whoopi (first), Hamhock (second), Bancroft (third), Lange (fourth)

1987: Ironweed - Yeah, last again w/ Hunter (first), Kirkland (second), Cher (third), Glenn (fourth)

1988: A Cry in the Dark - First TIED W/ Glenn (I know... :bdp: ), and just barely ahead of Sigourney (second), Jodie (third), and Melanie (fourth). I love all of these performances tremendously.

1990: Postcards from the Edge - Third behind Anjelica (first), Woodward (second) and ahead of Bates (fourth), and JuRo (fifth).

1995: The Bridges of Madison County - Second behind Shue, but ahead of Sarandon (third), TIFF! (fourth), and Stoney (fifth)

1998: One True Thing - Last behind Montenegro (first), Cate (second), Goop (third), and Watson (fourth)

1999: Music of the Heart - Fourth, ahead of McTeer but behind Moore (first), Hilaria (second), Annette (third). An underrated performance I think.

2002: Adaptation - This year is usually a shakeup for me as I really like the top 4 (and also like Latifah). Today, Meryl falls in fourth behind Bates (first), Moore (second), CZJ (third) and ahead of the Queen (fifth)

2006: The Devil Wears Prada - Third after Mirren (first) and Cruz (second) and ahead of Dench (fourth), Lord of the Flies (fifth, but this remains the only nominated performance of hers that I outright love to my eternal shame)

2008: Doubt - Third after Hathaway (first), Leo (second), and ahead of Jolie (fourth), and Himmler (666th)

2009: Julie & Julia - First ahead of Gabourey (second), Felicia (third), Mirren (fourth), Bollocks (fifth)

2011: The Iron Lady - Second after Viola and ahead of White Michelle (third), Glenn (fourth), Gloomey (distant fifth)

2013: August: Osage County - Last behind El Diablo (WAY first), Bullock (second), Magda Damask (third), and Philthy (fourth)

2014: Into the Woods - Third after Knightley (first[!] :eek: ) and Dern (second), but ahead of Ste. Patty (fourth), and Emma Stone (fifth. Not much of note here in this performance. Have you guys seen Irrational Man? Go watch that instead- her best work to date and actually better than some of Mama Gummer's nods)

Peppin
01-23-2016, 06:31 AM
Although I have seen almost all of her nominated performances, I haven't seen much from competitors, especially before 1999. So I'll abstain for the moment and revisit this thread later. I know for sure that she is 1st in 2009 and 2011 and there are few other performances in her nominated roles, which I love very much and will be hard to beat.

DeltaEst1903
01-24-2016, 11:47 AM
lol have we officially Meryl-ed out? I thought this thread would be much longer than 3 pages. But then again, the woman has her own lashings thread so :bow:

francesco-natale
01-24-2016, 12:04 PM
I think almost everyone has said what he has to say about some actressing subjects, like Meryl Streep, Cate Blanchett, Julianne Moore or Nicole Kidman.

Moviefreak
01-24-2016, 12:40 PM
1978: 3rd behind Smith and Stapleton (Smith personal winner)
1979: 1st (Alisa Freyndlikh personal winner)
1981: 3rd behind Keaton and Sarandon (Keaton personal winner)
1982: 2nd behind Lange (Lange personal winner)
1983: 1st and personal winner
1985: 3rd behind Lange and Goldberg (Lange personal winner)
1987: 4th after Cher, Hunter and Close (Woodward personal winner)
1988: 1st and personal winner
1990: 3rd behind Huston and Woodward (Huston personal winner)
1995: 1st and personal winner
1998: 5th (Not sure, hate this year lol)
1999: 4th behind Moore, Bening and Swank (personal winner Winslet)
2002: 1st or 2nd behind Moore sometimes (also personal winner)
2006: 3rd behind Cruz and Mirren (Dern personal winner)
2008: 3rd behind Leo and Hathaway (Moore personal winner)
2009: 1st (Swinton personal winner)
2011: 1st (Binoche personal winner)
2013: 1st (Clement personal winner)
2014: 2nd behind Arquette (Moore personal winner)

Orlean
01-24-2016, 01:02 PM
1978: ----
1979: 1st (two conteders unseen)->I go back and forth with my feelings of this win
1981: ----
1982: 1st
1983: 1st (but I've only seen MacLaine and Winger so...)
1985: ---- (I've only seen Whoppi and her performances)
1987: 3rd (Glenn's 1st and Cher's 2nd, not seen the other two and nod should have been in Supporting)
1988: 1st
1990: 4th after Bates (1st), Houston (2nd) and Roberts (3rd)-> great role though
(1992: 1st)
1995: eehhh.... I don't know how to rank. I really like that whole lineup (yes, including Sharon Stone)
1998: 3rd (not seen two contenders, nod should have been in Supporting)
1999: 3rd again without seen Moore or McTeer
2002: 1st
2006: 1st (but Mirren is a great winner)
2008: 3rd after Hathaway (1st) and Winslet (2nd), Jolie's 4th, not seen Mellissa Leo
2009: 2nd after Sidibe
2011: 1st
2013: ----
2014: ---- (but I love that nom :love: )

David Giancarlo
01-24-2016, 01:08 PM
1978: 3rd, behind Smith and Stapleton (Winner: Maggie Smith, California Suite)
1979: 1st (Winner: Alisa Freyndlikh, Stalker)
1981: 3rd, behind Keaton and Sarandon, but haven't seen Mason (Winner: Faye Dunaway, Mommie Dearest)
1982: 2nd, behind Lange (Winner: Jessica Lange, Frances)
1983: 1st WINNER!
1985: 3rd, behind Lange and Goldberg (Winner: Cher, Mask)
1987: N/A (Winner: Cher, Moonstruck)
1988: 1st WINNER!
1990: 2nd, but haven't seen Woodward (Winner: Anjelica Huston, The Grifters)
1995: 1st WINNER!
1998: Oh, good God, who cares.
1999: N/A (Winner: Nicole Kidman, Eyes Wide Shut)
2002: 1st WINNER!
2006: 1st (Winner: Laura Dern, INLAND EMPIRE)
2008: 1st (Winner: Tilda Swinton, Julia)
2009: 2nd, behind Sidibe (Winner: Tilda Swinton, I Am Love)
2011: 1st (Winner: Anna Paquin, Margaret)
2013: 1st (Streep = Supporting winner; Winner: Adèle Exarchopoulos, Blue is the Warmest Color)
2014: 1st (Winner: Suzanne Clément, Mommy)

That's right. Streep was the best of the nominees at least ten times, therefore, she should have at least ten Oscars.

DeltaEst1903
01-24-2016, 01:22 PM
Of the nominees! and to count the ones that I definitely haven't seen:

1978: The Deer Hunter - N/S :eek:
1979: Kramer vs. Kramer - 1, winner
1981: The French Lieutenant's Woman - N/S
1982: Sophie's Choice - 1
1983: Silkwood - 2
1985: Out of Africa - N/S
1987: Ironweed - 5
1988: A Cry in the Dark - 2
1990: Postcards from the Edge - 4
1995: The Bridges of Madison County - 1
1998: One True Thing - N/S
1999: Music of the Heart - N/S
2002: Adaptation - 2nd probably behind Moore, but DontReallyCurr
2006: The Devil Wears Prada - tied for 2nd with Cruz, extremely strong year
2008: Doubt - 2 behind MaLeo, another solid year
2009: Julie & Julia - 1, a dreadful year
2011: The Iron Lady - 1, another dreadful god awful year
2013: August: Osage County - 3rd, behind Damy and SaBu, a very strong year
2014: Into the Woods - 1st, like by a country mile, weak competition and a terrible winner

If all her nominated films were BP nominees/frontrunners, I'm sure she would have 5 statuettes at least right now, save for Out of Africa.

OnTheAisle
10-16-2016, 08:47 PM
It appears a number of posters haven't seen Ironweed and no shame in that. I don’t like Ironweed. I imagine few people do. It is a unrelenting dour film about hopelessness. Director Hector Babenco who received deserved recognition for Pixote and Kiss of the Spider Woman is not up to the task of visualizing William Kennedy’s Pulitzer Prize winning novel. I am not sure anyone could.

Ironweed is a novel one should read beforehand. Nothing much occurs in the film’s 143 minutes. Reading the novel allows the viewer to understand the silences since the film is simply unable to convey the message cinematically. Best Actor nominee Jack Nicholson clearly read the book. He well plays alcoholic Frances Phelan who wanders Depression era Albany New York after accidentally dropping his 13 day old son resulting in the infant’s instant death. Nicholson buries his trademark mannerisms to explore the character’s depth of loss. It’s a fine performance but certainly neither cinematic nor entertaining.

The best sequence of the film is Phelan’s return to the family he abandoned shortly after the tragic death. He finds his wife Annie and his remaining children older. Played mostly in silence, it is quickly evident that Annie still loves and longs for her husband who cannot find the inner strength to forgive himself. Carroll Baker who was departmentalized by her sexuality in her early career is a revelation here. She is terrific in a few, brief underplayed moments.

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Best Actress nominee Meryl Streep plays Helen, also an alcoholic. In what could be considered a supporting performance but probably wasn’t to give Baker a shot at a well deserved supporting actress nomination, Streep has the heartbreaking and unforgettable moment singing “He’s Me Pal” in the bar where she recalls her youth and sings to an audience of long ago. Streep’s fine work is noted in her physical transformation with the runny, red eyes, the odd speech pattern, and disconcertingly flapping hands of a woman whose body has begun to fail as a result of years of abuse.

Peppin
10-17-2016, 02:34 AM
I really liked the performances in Ironweed.

Blasty
10-17-2016, 11:30 AM
I actually love Ironweed! But then, I have often loved movies that really embraced a gloomy, depressive sort of oppressive mood, for example Leaving Las Vegas and The Portrait of a Lady. I like how these movies capture that feeling of being lost in a nightmare and not wanting to be found. There's a certain masochism to them that is very, achingly real. Of course, for those who don't like them, I guess they'd disparagingly call them "misery porn". :lol:

Orlean
10-17-2016, 11:46 AM
Ironweed is so hard to watch... But the He's Me Pal scene alone is so worth it. It's one of the very few (semi) happy moments.

OnTheAisle
10-17-2016, 12:01 PM
I actually love Ironweed! But then, I have often loved movies that really embraced a gloomy, depressive sort of oppressive mood, for example Leaving Las Vegas and The Portrait of a Lady. I like how these movies capture that feeling of being lost in a nightmare and not wanting to be found. There's a certain masochism to them that is very, achingly real. Of course, for those who don't like them, I guess they'd disparagingly call them "misery porn". :lol:

That's intriguing. Have you watched these films more than once?

I think Leaving Las Vegas is an apt comparison. Which other films would you say capture a similar oppressive mood?

crazyfists3600
10-17-2016, 12:02 PM
Ironweed is, honestly, one of Meryl's best performances.

Blasty
10-17-2016, 12:11 PM
That's intriguing. Have you watched these films more than once?

I think Leaving Las Vegas is an apt comparison. Which other films would you say capture a similar oppressive mood?

I've seen Leaving Las Vegas a couple of times and The Portrait of a Lady multiple times. Another movie like this is probably The Ice Storm, to a certain extent. And The Sweet Hereafter.

I mean, there are probably lots of movies like that and that bathe in a sad or depressed motif, especially if you look at some of the Bergman films and other foreign movies, in particular. I guess, it's all about the Director's style, too, like Spielberg's Schindler's List, I wouldn't put with these movies because he doesn't do what I described at all - there is always hope and humanity in his film-making - it is always moving, but it's a different kind of mood, not really oppressive - the events are heartbreaking and sad, but I don't find the mood to be. Which is not a critique of his style, really. Though, for some, I suppose it could be. Schindler's List manages to be inspiring and beautiful, but then it's also about the act of saving in addition to the horrors of those who were lost.

OnTheAisle
10-17-2016, 12:20 PM
I think that is absolutely true about Ingmar Bergman. While I admire the early work, I adore the films made after the birth of his daughter which brought a contrast of joy and despair to his storytelling.

McTeague
10-17-2016, 01:25 PM
I like Ironweed and it contains one of the few bearable performances by Jack Nicholson. But it also contains one of the few (the only?) truly horrid performances by Mehryl Streep.

Blasty
10-17-2016, 01:29 PM
I like Ironweed and it contains one of the few bearable performances by Jack Nicholson. But it also contains one of the few (the only?) truly horrid performances by Mehryl Streep.

She's basically in the same key here that she would later be in Doubt, except she's really, really unlikable in Doubt and has no fucks to give, which in a way, is admirable, I guess. And yet I love her in Ironweed because I find the character sad, pitiful, and sympathetic and I also find the accent great, but in Doubt, even though it's almost the same accent, she's extremely obnoxious and it infuriates me and I just find her so off-putting in it.

McTeague
10-17-2016, 01:32 PM
She's basically in the same key here that she would later be in Doubt, except she's really, really unlikable in Doubt and has no fucks to give, which in a way, is admirable, I guess. And yet I love her in Ironweed because I find the character sad, pitiful, and sympathetic and I also find the accent great, but in Doubt, even though it's almost the same accent, she's extremely obnoxious and it infuriates me and I just find her so off-putting in it.

We've discussed this to death, but I think the material in Doubt lends itself better to the near-parody Meh does.

Nabuch
10-17-2016, 01:35 PM
Meryl's problem is that she's often better than the films she stars in. Let's face it, few of her films are classics. Her career sorta reminds me of Greta Garbo's who often elevated many of her projects simply with her presence. Without Garbo who would remember Mata Hari? Streep may be a great actress, but her filmography contains a whole lot of forgettable movies. And for someone with her talent, it really should. Where is her iconic, legendary, career defining film such as Gone with the Wind for Vivien Leigh, All About Eve for Bette Davis, Casablanca for Ingrid Bergman?

Blasty
10-17-2016, 01:39 PM
We've discussed this to death, but I think the material in Doubt lends itself better to the near-parody Meh does.

Well, I think I have probably alot of problems with the material in Doubt, at least as Shanley presents it on film. And I just happen to really love Ironweed alot more, which is probably why I think every thing about it works.

Meryl is over the top in both, I'll agree, though. For me, though, everything about Doubt is a "stunt" and very stagy, while I found humanity and real pain in Ironweed.

I've only seen each once, though. I should give a 2nd viewing to both. What's funny is that I preferred all of the other performances in Doubt to Meryl's. :lol:

Peppin
10-17-2016, 01:59 PM
I noticed that I am one of the few (the only one?) who really loves Meryl in Doubt.

David Giancarlo
10-17-2016, 02:02 PM
I noticed that I am one of the few (the only one?) who really loves Meryl in Doubt.

LOL no. Meryl is amazing in Doubt (should have won that Oscar, in that field), and there have been a lot of supporters coming out of the woodwork, here, over the years.

Peppin
10-17-2016, 02:35 PM
LOL no. Meryl is amazing in Doubt (should have won that Oscar, in that field), and there have been a lot of supporters coming out of the woodwork, here, over the years.

Well, then. :love:

Donnchadh
10-17-2016, 02:38 PM
LOL no. Meryl is amazing in Doubt (should have won that Oscar, in that field), and there have been a lot of supporters coming out of the woodwork, here, over the years.

YES. Love Meryl in Doubt, and she for sure should've won that year.

skuLd
10-17-2016, 02:53 PM
That's right. Streep was the best of the nominees at least ten times, therefore, she should have at least ten Oscars.

1992?

crazyfists3600
10-17-2016, 03:09 PM
I have WAY too much time on my hands:

1978:
1) Smith
2) Stapleton
3) Streep
4) Milford
NS Cannon

1979:
1) Streep
2) Alexander
3) Barrie
4) Hemingway
NS Bergen

1981:
1) Keaton
2) Sarandon
3) Hepburn
4) Streep
NS Mason

1982:
1) Lange
2) Streep
3) Andrews
4) Winger
5) Spacek

1983:
1) Streep
2) Walters
3) Winger
4) MacLaine
NS Alexander

1985:
1) Goldberg
2) Streep
3) Bancroft
4) Page
NS Lange

1987:
1) Hunter
2) Kirkland
3) Close
4) Streep
5) Cher

1988:
1) Streep
2) Close
3) Griffith
4) Foster
5) Weaver

1990:
1) Huston
2) Woodward
3) Roberts
4) Bates
5) Streep

1995:
1) Sarandon
2) Shue
3) Streep
4) Stone
5) Thompson

1998:
1) Montenegro
2) Paltrow
3) Blanchett
4) Streep
5) Watson

1999:
1) Swank
2) Moore
3) Bening
4) McTeer
5) Streep

2002:
1) Zeta-Jones
2) Streep
3) Queen Latifah
4) Moore
5) Bates

2006:
1) Cruz
2) Mirren
3) Streep
4) Dench
5) Winslet

2008:
1) Hathaway
2) Winslet
3) Jolie
4) Streep
NS Leo

2009:
1) Mulligan
2) Sidibe
3) Streep
4) Bullock
5) Mirren

2011:
1) Mara
2) Davis
3) Streep
4) Close
5) Williams

One of the worst lineups in history :deal:

2013:
1) Blanchett
2) Bullock
3) Adams
NS Dench
NS Streep

2014:
1) Stone
2) Knightley
3) Streep
4) Dern
5) Arquette

McTeague
10-17-2016, 03:12 PM
Meryl's problem is that she's often better than the films she stars in. Let's face it, few of her films are classics. Her career sorta reminds me of Greta Garbo's who often elevated many of her projects simply with her presence. Without Garbo who would remember Mata Hari? Streep may be a great actress, but her filmography contains a whole lot of forgettable movies. And for someone with her talent, it really should. Where is her iconic, legendary, career defining film such as Gone with the Wind for Vivien Leigh, All About Eve for Bette Davis, Casablanca for Ingrid Bergman?

Um, Garbo's filmography, in just 17 years (that's how long her career was), sweeps the floor with Meh's, hun. Of course Mata Hari or Anna Christie are lesser, but she has Ninotchka, Camille and Queen Christina in the sound era, and Joyless Street, Flesh and the Devil, Gosta Berling's Saga and countless others in the silent one. Meh can only wish! In just 17 years!

Blasty
10-17-2016, 03:18 PM
Um, Garbo's filmography, in just 17 years (that's how long her career was), sweeps the floor with Meh's, hun. Of course Mata Hari or Anna Christie are lesser, but she has Ninotchka, Camille and Queen Christina in the sound era, and Joyless Street, Flesh and the Devil, Gosta Berling's Saga and countless others in the silent one. Meh can only wish! In just 17 years!

During the Golden Age of Hollywood. :rolleyes: Like, if you were a leading stah in that time and weren't making legacy films, you were doing it wrong.

McTeague
10-17-2016, 03:22 PM
During the Golden Age of Hollywood. :rolleyes: Like, if you were a leading stah in that time and weren't making legacy films, you were doing it wrong.

I didn't make the comparison, I just pointed out how wrong it was!

AllAboutOscar
10-17-2016, 03:22 PM
Um, Garbo's filmography, in just 17 years (that's how long her career was), sweeps the floor with Meh's, hun. Of course Mata Hari or Anna Christie are lesser, but she has Ninotchka, Camille and Queen Christina in the sound era, and Joyless Street, Flesh and the Devil, Gosta Berling's Saga and countless others in the silent one. Meh can only wish! In just 17 years!

Meryl got 3 Best Picture winner. Also Sophie's Choice, which is one of the finest performances on the big screen ever, many popular movies (Prada, Death Becomes Her, Kramer) and some truly amazing dramatic work (Cry in the Dark, Bridges, Adaptation).

And I feel that she did a lot for "female" movies (even if I hate that expression), especially in the '80s, not to mention her box office success after Prada, which is unique in movie history.

But as I said in another thread, she's a bit boring lately.

Blasty
10-17-2016, 03:25 PM
I didn't make the comparison, I just pointed out how wrong it was!

Oh, I see, didn't realize original poster was putting down Garbo's filmmography, which obviously is a strange thing to do.

Doesn't he know that when putting down Meryl in this regard, the right comparison is the "Rosalind Russel/Greer Garson/Susan Hayward" of her time! Teach him, McTeague. :deal:

We may need to fish out your old "academic dramas" posts.

McTeague
10-17-2016, 03:52 PM
Meryl got 3 Best Picture winner.

:lol:

If that's the strongest point of your case I rest mine.

Nabuch
10-17-2016, 03:59 PM
Oh, I see, didn't realize original poster was putting down Garbo's filmmography, which obviously is a strange thing to do.

Doesn't he know that when putting down Meryl in this regard, the right comparison is the "Rosalind Russel/Greer Garson/Susan Hayward" of her time! Teach him, McTeague. :deal:

We may need to fish out your old "academic dramas" posts.

I was NOT putting down Garbo's filmography, I was just saying she reminds me of Meryl in the vein rising above the material due to sheer talent and (in her case) charismatic presence. Obviously Camille & Ninotchka are classics and I value her films above Meryl's ones, which didn't impress me that much. As for Streep's recent performances, I think Hepburn's 'tick, tock, tick' comment explains it the best.

I am open to be your and McTeague's obedient student anytime, anyday, tho.

Sara Allorn
10-17-2016, 04:07 PM
I noticed that I am one of the few (the only one?) who really loves Meryl in Doubt.

I never understood the hate :shrug: I mean, I don't love it, I think she's the "weak link", but only because I find the other 3 tremendous, but she is really good. I wouldn't give her the win (that would be Hathaway), but she's really good. She's much better in it than her inconsistent (but mostly bad) performance in A:OC

Igor BiH
10-17-2016, 04:34 PM
In retrospect, I kind of wish Meryl did win for Doubt, even though Hathaway was my favorite from the lineup. Because it would've prevented TIL from happening, and had she won, Winslet's thirst would've gone to a whole new epic level.

Sara Allorn
10-17-2016, 04:36 PM
In retrospect, I kind of wish Meryl did win for Doubt, even though Hathaway was my favorite from the lineup. Because it would've prevented TIL from happening, and had she won, Winslet's thirst would've gone to a whole new epic level.

And that would mean Viola would have an Oscar :cry: :cry: :cry:

Blasty
10-17-2016, 05:05 PM
In retrospect, I kind of wish Meryl did win for Doubt, even though Hathaway was my favorite from the lineup. Because it would've prevented TIL from happening, and had she won, Winslet's thirst would've gone to a whole new epic level.

Meryl is like a million times better in The Iron Lady than Doubt, so I'm glad it happened that way. :dally:

And the critics awards backed it up, so suck it AW! :dally:

Igor BiH
10-17-2016, 05:10 PM
Meryl is like a million times better in The Iron Lady than Doubt, so I'm glad it happened that way. :dally:

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Sara Allorn
10-17-2016, 05:13 PM
The Iron Lady is seriously one of the worst performance I've seen to be nominated (and win :vomit:) for an Oscar. It's not just bad, laughable! The girl who played the younger Thatcher was a 100 times better. I love Meryl, but I don't even understand how she could have given that performance.

Blasty
10-17-2016, 05:17 PM
The Iron Lady is seriously one of the worst performance I've seen to be nominated (and win :vomit:) for an Oscar. It's not just bad, laughable! The girl who played the younger Thatcher was a 100 times better. I love Meryl, but I don't even understand how she could have given that performance.

I'm sure the New York Film Critics Circle could explain it to you, not to mention Boston (runner-up) and the National Society of Film Critics (3rd place)

guany
10-17-2016, 05:20 PM
I hate Meryl in Doubt, but I do think she's quite good in The Iron Lady and it's a fine Oscar win. My problem is that I don't think she should have won over Davis. But I would be totally fine with Meryl winning for Iron Lady over say, Portman in 2010, Lawrence in 2012, or Larson last year (I would also say over Bullock in 2009, but Meryl should have already won that year for Julie and Julia).

Re: 2008: I'm just glad Winslet has an Oscar, tbh. :shrug:

Blasty
10-17-2016, 05:22 PM
Yes, Meryl really should have won for Julie and Julia, of course, that's her most acclaimed performance in recent years, without a doubt and it really is one of her finest character studies.

AllAboutOscar
10-17-2016, 05:24 PM
:lol:

If that's the strongest point of your case I rest mine.

Nope, the strongest point is the 19 oscar nominations and the fact that she is unique in movie history. Of course you can have opinion about her, but the facts are facts.

And if Bening was in 3 BP winner, you'd use that as a strong point every single day. :yes:

Pingy
10-17-2016, 05:25 PM
Re: 2008: I'm just glad Winslet has an Oscar, tbh. :shrug:

:fricker:

Blasty
10-17-2016, 05:27 PM
Nope, the strongest point is the 19 oscar nominations and the fact that she is unique in movie history. Of course you can have opinion about her, but the facts are facts.

And if Bening was in 3 BP winner, you'd use it every single day. :yes:

This is, of course true. Same with Lange Fans, as well. Though The Grifters should have been a Picture nominee - it got directing.

Of her contemporaries, Meryl or Sissy are the only ones who can even brag about their filmmographies. Everyone else's is laughable.

guany
10-17-2016, 05:30 PM
Also, I was able to revisit The Deer Hunter months ago on TCM, and I have to say that Meryl really was the standout (along with De Niro... but I don't get the Walken love).

Her work in The Deer Hunter and Kramer vs. Kramer is quite refreshing from a 2016 perspective as they are just such damn natural, lived-in performances. No wigs, no strong accents (I think she may have had a slight one in Hunter, but it's not like Sophie, Bridges, etc.).

Just really wonderful work, and she would have been a deserving winner for Deer Hunter, and she was a deserving winner for Kramer.

guany
10-17-2016, 05:31 PM
:fricker:

Well, Winslet is only second to Bregend Frickqween, but still.

Blasty
10-17-2016, 05:32 PM
The Deer Hunter is one of her finest performance. I wish they had expanded her role some more so she could have stopped Jane Fonda from winning Best Actress for Coming Home.

Pingy
10-17-2016, 05:38 PM
The Deer Hunter is one of her finest performance. I wish they had expanded her role some more so she could have stopped Jane Fonda from winning Best Actress for Coming Home.

I'll just regard this post as awkwardly-worded with the intention to really say "Meh should have been elevated to Lead to take votes away from J-Fo so Goddess Clayburgh could have taken the most bloody deserved Oscar win in this category from the 70s..."

guany
10-17-2016, 05:40 PM
Aw, I love Fonda in Coming Home. She was easily the best thing about the movie (granted that's not saying much when you have Voight trying to be omg baity in a wheelchair, Dern screaming, and Milford not really doing anything, lol). I'm so glad she won #2 for that and not Julia the year before. :vomit:

AllAboutOscar
10-17-2016, 05:43 PM
She's amazing in TDH, but that Oscar for Suppawting was a really fine decision by the Academy.

https://media.giphy.com/media/pWi1ViaBpTssg/giphy.gif

Blasty
10-17-2016, 05:46 PM
While I don't much like Julia, and especially not that ridiculous transcendental wannabe performance that Redgrave was giving, I actually love Fonda in Julia. The movie is busted Oscar-bait that somehow get lots of nominations but Fonda is very strong.

Pingy
10-17-2016, 05:46 PM
Milford gets a strip scene...! :cry: Of course her random nod can best be explained as a case of AMPAS psychically projecting the future harsh truth that they'd be unable to nominate her for Heathers a decade later.

I prefer J-Fo in Julia actually. It's just IMPOSSIBLE to buy her as an army house frau w/ no conscience at the beginning of Coming Home.

Igor BiH
10-17-2016, 05:59 PM
Fonda was perfectly fine in Coming Home, but she was far and away the weakest of the '78 nominees I've seen (haven't seen Same Time, Next Year yet). Bergman was GOAT worthy, and this should've been her third win (not that wretched Orient Express bullshit), Clayburgh was also amazing, and Page, who I'm don't particularly love, was terrific as well.

Jali
10-17-2016, 06:51 PM
Nope, the strongest point is the 19 oscar nominations and the fact that she is unique in movie history. Of course you can have opinion about her, but the facts are facts.

And if Bening was in 3 BP winner, you'd use that as a strong point every single day. :yes:

Marsha Mason and even Pia Zadora are unique in movie history. Not comparing Meryl to them, but...

The bridges of Madison County is Meryl's masterpiece. And if we need to compare her to someone of the silent era I would compare her to Norma Talmadge. Talmadge was the great thespian of the silent era but she only did forgettable films, that's why nobody remembers her today.

OnTheAisle
10-17-2016, 07:30 PM
. . .I actually love Fonda in Julia. The movie is busted Oscar-bait that somehow get lots of nominations but Fonda is very strong.

Fonda is fine in Julia. However, Fonda is physically wrong to play Lillian Hellman. I still mourn the decision of Streisand to decline the role to supervise the preparation of the soundtrack for A Star is Born. Yes, she made a mountain of money but her performance in Julia would have awesome. Can you imagine the fire of her and Redgrave going toe to toe?

It ranks right up there with Doris Day declining the invitation of Mike Nichols to play Mrs. Robinson as one of the great missed opportunities in film.

McTeague
10-18-2016, 01:51 AM
Nope, the strongest point is the 19 oscar nominations and the fact that she is unique in movie history. Of course you can have opinion about her, but the facts are facts.

And if Bening was in 3 BP winner, you'd use that as a strong point every single day. :yes:

Lol, this kindergarden post, where to begin.

Do you realise you're arguing the one thing that was the very premise that nobody contended? So, your argument for someone who says "Meryl has 19 noms but a poor filmography" is "No, she has 19 noms!" :sage:

Or do you realise that I haven't even made the point you're trying (and failing) to dispute? Hun, I stopped beating the dead horse of Meh's horrid filmography eons ago, because everyone knows and agrees. It's Nabuch who made the point, I only took issue when he lumped in Garbo, whose filmography is amazing. So if you try to come for someone, at least pick the right wig.

And finally, do you realise saying "your faves are worse!", like you're doing by #trying to drag Bening into this, is something only a 7 years old child would do? Not to mention you're lying, for I have never tried to argue Bening has a great filmography, for she doesn't. I've always acknowledged it's way below what her talent deserves. You see? Adult people can love an actress and still accept negatives about her! The shock!

So hun, next time you try to debate with adults, try to do It like and adult. Or try to address the points being made to the people who make them.

Blasty
10-18-2016, 03:04 AM
Lol, this kindergarden post, where to begin.

Do you realise you're arguing the one thing that was the very premise that nobody contended? So, your argument for someone who says "Meryl has 19 noms but a poor filmography" is "No, she has 19 noms!" :sage:

Or do you realise that I haven't even made the point you're trying (and failing) to dispute? Hun, I stopped beating the dead horse of Meh's horrid filmography eons ago, because everyone knows and agrees. It's Nabuch who made the point, I only took issue when he lumped in Garbo, whose filmography is amazing. So if you try to come for someone, at least pick the right wig.

And finally, do you realise saying "your faves are worse!", like you're doing by #trying to drag Bening into this, is something only a 7 years old child would do? Not to mention you're lying, for I have never tried to argue Bening has a great filmography, for she doesn't. I've always acknowledged it's way below what her talent deserves. You see? Adult people can love an actress and still accept negatives about her! The shock!

So hun, next time you try to debate with adults, try to do It like and adult. Or try to address the points being made to the people who make them.

Hahaha I'm not even gonna argue because I'm so glad you've given up on this, but really :lmao:

But sure, I'll agree if it means you stop beating that dead horse, but not because I really agree, just because it's so tiresome to hear it.

I will say this - I am perfectly content with the films Meryl has made and for me, at least with my taste, which you can make fun of, I love lots of her films and am satisfied with her filmmography and find plenty that is great and even pantheon there so whatever, you don't have to agree, and I know you don't, but there are some who do think films like The Deer Hunter, Out of Africa, and Adaptation, for instance are some of the all time greats - at least theyre on my all time list - and 3 classics is more than enough for me, plus an some iconic cult-like faves such as Death Becomes Her, which will be treasured forever, as well as excellent movies like The Bridges of Madison County and others.

Most are pretty happy with Meryl's movies - few see as much mediocrity there as you and a couple of others.

AllAboutOscar
10-18-2016, 03:37 AM
Lol, this kindergarden post, where to begin.

Do you realise you're arguing the one thing that was the very premise that nobody contended? So, your argument for someone who says "Meryl has 19 noms but a poor filmography" is "No, she has 19 noms!" :sage:

Or do you realise that I haven't even made the point you're trying (and failing) to dispute? Hun, I stopped beating the dead horse of Meh's horrid filmography eons ago, because everyone knows and agrees. It's Nabuch who made the point, I only took issue when he lumped in Garbo, whose filmography is amazing. So if you try to come for someone, at least pick the right wig.

And finally, do you realise saying "your faves are worse!", like you're doing by #trying to drag Bening into this, is something only a 7 years old child would do? Not to mention you're lying, for I have never tried to argue Bening has a great filmography, for she doesn't. I've always acknowledged it's way below what her talent deserves. You see? Adult people can love an actress and still accept negatives about her! The shock!

So hun, next time you try to debate with adults, try to do It like and adult. Or try to address the points being made to the people who make them.

I didn't say your faves are worse. I guess your memory isn't as good as it was 60 years ago, but just 2 days ago we (you and I) were making jokes in another thread about if we were the accountants, Bening would be a 2 or 3 time Oscar winner by now. So she's not just your fave. And that is exactly why I brought her up.

And I did say that Meryl's filmography isn't as great as it was in the '80s, I also said she shouldn't be nominated every time her name appears on the screen. So next time before you call someone "kid", "hun" etc. in this condescendent way, read the whole post. Now that would be adult behaviour.

Blasty
10-18-2016, 04:56 AM
I didn't say your faves are worse. I guess your memory isn't as good as it was 60 years ago, but just 2 days ago we (you and I) were making jokes in another thread about if we were the accountants, Bening would be a 2 or 3 time Oscar winner by now. So she's not just your fave. And that is exactly why I brought her up.

And I did say that Meryl's filmography isn't as great as it was in the '80s, I also said she shouldn't be nominated every time her name appears on the screen. So next time before you call someone "kid", "hun" etc. in this condescendent way, read the whole post. Now that would be adult behaviour.

:wigsnatch:

:clap: There was enough shade and wig-snatching of Poor McTeague in that post to keep me going for another millennium!

AllAboutOscar
10-18-2016, 05:07 AM
:wigsnatch:

:clap: There was enough shade and wig-snatching of Poor McTeague in that post to keep me going for another millennium!

I'm glad. :lol:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_I7iCEP7Ywg/VxxPya6CQ2I/AAAAAAAAzKE/kPkeOGGqnpoms9zKQjhvydA6HF3JuFnRACK gB/s1600/tumblr_lvjs37pFff1qh2o7zo1_r1_500-1450731939.gif

android
10-18-2016, 05:08 AM
Is this out of the contenders that year?

If so, same # of Oscars she effectively has: Kramer vs Kramer, Sophie's Choice and The Bridges of Madison County.

And maybe The Devil Wears Prada if she was moved to supporting that year. Other than that, half of these 19 noms are questionable. In their place I'd have supported more (personal noms or really close to that): The Manchurian Candidate, Death Becomes Her, She Devil.

McTeague
10-18-2016, 05:54 AM
:clap: There was enough shade and wig-snatching of Poor McTeague in that post to keep me going for another millennium!

:lol: Man, you have to be very desperate and pressed to consider that wig-snatching at all! Now whining like a hurt virgin “Don’t be condescending to me” is wig-snatching? #Trying.

All about Oscar, I know you literally didn’t say “your faves are worse”. But saying “You’d say the same about Bening if she had 3 BP nominees” amounts to the same, it’s the same type of argument, in which instead of defending Streep’s filmography (because you can’t) you say something about my faves (even if she’s also a favourite of yours, which is absolutely beyond the point). It’s a childish argument because it says nothing about Streep’s filmography, you just try to attack me by saying which is, besides, a lie: that I’d defend Bening’s filmography if she had 3 BP winners. For starters I have never defended Bening’s filmography, only her acting, but on top of it I’ve even dissed one of her BP nominees like The Kids Are All Right, which is not something that elevates her filmography at all. I’d certainly use Valmont and Grifters, which weren’t BP nominees, to try to defend it, but even then I don’t consider them great, just very good. So nice try, but the next time you don’t want to be called a child, don’t use a childish argument, and most of all don’t invent lies about me you can’t sustain. HUN.

And Blasty, I have stopped discussing the subject of Meh’s filmography because I’ve won that fight long ago, not because I’ve given up. Sadly for you, you and AllAbout Oscar are not “most”, you’re just about the only two sad fanboys who don’t acknowledge this truth. Everyone everywhere considers Streep films are lacking and below her talent. Like, parody articles have been written in professional press about it.

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/name-one-masterpiece-of-cinema-that-ive-starred-in-11490

And this comes from one of the few people that still consider Out of Africa a genuinely great movie instead of a bore with pretty music. And one of the few who consider A Prairie Home Companion a masterpiece. And a Clint fan who considers Bridges of Madison County one of his Top 5 movies. And you know it.

Meryl Streep doesn’t have a bad filmography and, as you say, in the dire panorama of American cinema of the 80s, when she was in her prime, she did a bit less horribly than her generation female peers. Like, Lange’s filmography is truly atrocious, and Sissy Spacek or Diane Keaton, who overall have a substantially better filmography than Meryl, broke through a little earlier and had all their best movies in the 70s, and then a small bunch after the 80s, so it’s true that Streep did the best she could in the 80s (then again, not better than Mia Farrow, but of course she didn’t date Woody Allen, who was the only American director to consistently make great Americana movies in the 80s).

But the fact that her filmography is less bad than it could have been considering when she reached her prime doesn’t make her filmography any less lacking. And sorry, but everyone except you and a couple other sad fanboys acknowledges her filmography is severely lacking. That’s why I’ve stopped beating the dead horse, because I already killed it, no matter if a small contingent on loonies think the horse is alive with Marilyn and Elvis in that secret island. There will always be loonies that believe that.

AllAboutOscar
10-18-2016, 06:00 AM
Now you're acting like a basic troll under a YouTube video.

McTeague
10-18-2016, 06:04 AM
Now you're acting like a basic troll under a YouTube video.

And you keep attacking me because you can't defend Streep's filmography.

If you can't debate or stand (or understand) debate, don't debate.

AllAboutOscar
10-18-2016, 06:15 AM
And you keep attacking me because you can't defend Streep's filmography.

If you can't debate or stand (or understand) debate, don't debate.

LMAO, I listed the great films from Streep's filmography and her legacy as an actress, I also pointed out (now I do it for the thrid time) that her filmography obviously isn't the best, and her movies now are not nearly as good as they were back in the days, I also said she shouldn't be nominated every time she's got a movie... And then you said that I'm just a fanboy and I call her the best and I can't imagine that she's had any bad movies... which I did point out in the post you replied to.
It's like you don't care about what I wrote, you just wanted to attack or just let this our of your system, regardless of what I actually wrote.
When did this thread turn into the US Election?

Jeff Beachnau
10-18-2016, 06:27 AM
http://c.tribune.com.pk/2016/06/1119309-streepc-1465448082-738-640x480.gif

AllAboutOscar
10-18-2016, 06:28 AM
http://c.tribune.com.pk/2016/06/1119309-streepc-1465448082-738-640x480.gif

LMAO, the first time I saw that pic, she did scare me.

Nabuch
10-18-2016, 06:30 AM
http://c.tribune.com.pk/2016/06/1119309-streepc-1465448082-738-640x480.gif

Ryan Murphy already on the phone with Glenn Close's agent and taking ha notes for the next season of Feud!

AllAboutOscar
10-18-2016, 06:38 AM
Ryan Murphy already on the phone with Glenn Close's agent and taking ha notes for the next season of Feud!

http://static.origos.hu/s/img/i/1603/2016030486th-annual-academy-awards-.jpg?w=644&h=427

McTeague
10-18-2016, 07:08 AM
LMAO, I listed the great films from Streep's filmography and her legacy as an actress, I also pointed out (now I do it for the thrid time) that her filmography obviously isn't the best, and her movies now are not nearly as good as they were back in the days, I also said she shouldn't be nominated every time she's got a movie... And then you said that I'm just a fanboy and I call her the best and I can't imagine that she's had any bad movies... which I did point out in the post you replied to.
It's like you don't care about what I wrote, you just wanted to attack or just let this our of your system, regardless of what I actually wrote.
When did this thread turn into the US Election?

No, you said she had 3 BP winners, as if BP winners couldn't become dated or be, quite simply, bad movies from the get go. When I loled at that notion you said I'd use them if Bening had them and added that the true argument was her 19 nominated performances, when the discussion was about the quality of her films. I haven't seen any real argument from you in this thread, sorry. Just petty comments like I'd use them for Bening if she had them.

But enough of this. The bottom line is very clear for everybody not named Blasty: while Streep's filmography could be worse (see Jessica Lange) it's still very underwhelming for a woman of her talent and of her records.

AllAboutOscar
10-18-2016, 07:28 AM
And that is what pretty much I said as well.

Also, I don't know about the US or the rest of the world, but her 3 BP winners are very popular in my country. Kramer was huge here, Out of Africa is like one of the favourites here in terms of romantic-epic, The Deer Hunter is on the TV many times, people still talk about these movies, call them their favourites (Africa, Hunter).
Now as you can see, if you actually read this post, I'm talking about the audience reception of these movies, how they aged, how people feel about them decades after their release and not about the critical point of view (in their release years or today). And that is what I pointed out in my original post as well with some of her other movies such as Prada.

But the most hilarious part is that I didn't even want a debate about this Garbo-Streep comparison. It doesn't make too much sense to me, to compare an icon from the Silent Era and the Golden Age to an actress of the '80s. But you only mentioned Garbo's filmography, and there was no mention of the other part, you only said that Meryl could only wish. So obviously I had to list some of Streep's filmography and her legacy to make this comparison more sensible, even if it's a pretty odd one.

McTeague
10-18-2016, 07:35 AM
But the most hilarious part is that I didn't even want a debate about this Garbo-Streep comparison. It doesn't make too much sense to me, to compare an icon from the Silent Era and the Golden Age to an actress of the '80s. But you only mentioned Garbo's filmography, and there was no mention of the other part, you only said that Meryl could only wish. So obviously I had to list some of Streep's filmography and her legacy to make this comparison more sensible, even if it's a pretty odd one.

Then the one who didn't read the posts is you: I didn't make the Garbo comparison. Nabuch did. He said Streep has a poor filmography, saying next that she was more like Garbo, usually just elevating not-so-good projects. It's me who pointed out how wrong the comparison is, for Garbo has around 8 legits classics including 2-3 indisputed masterpieces in a 17 years span. Indeed, I maintain Streep could only wish. The comparison is indeed wrong, but I didn't make it.

Orlean
10-18-2016, 01:20 PM
http://www.bilder-upload.eu/upload/067556-1476815146.jpg

Anp
10-19-2016, 01:30 AM
Then the one who didn't read the posts is you: I didn't make the Garbo comparison. Nabuch did. He said Streep has a poor filmography, saying next that she was more like Garbo, usually just elevating not-so-good projects. It's me who pointed out how wrong the comparison is, for Garbo has around 8 legits classics including 2-3 indisputed masterpieces in a 17 years span. Indeed, I maintain Streep could only wish. The comparison is indeed wrong, but I didn't make it.
Still preaching the gospel truth, I see. :love:

Garbo's filmography is nothing but outstanding!

David Giancarlo
10-19-2016, 01:31 AM
Eh Ehn Peeeaaaaa! :eek::omgomgomg:

Anp
10-19-2016, 01:58 PM
Eh Ehn Peeeaaaaa! :eek::omgomgomg:
David! You know I'm a Meryl stan and I'll defend her for life. I absolutely disagree with those who say she will be completely forgotten. Gurl, bye. She will always be remembered as the actress with the most Oscar nominations and , of course, the person that famously gave one of the best performances of all time in Sophie's Choice.
I do, however, agree that unfortunately her filmography lacks a film we can easily say it will be considered a timeless masterpiece, that doesn't mean her whole career is trash, because it certainly isn't.

So when someone tries to come for Meryl AND Garbo saying they both mostly elevate mediocre movies that person deserves a reading :dally:

Nabuch
10-19-2016, 02:26 PM
So when someone tries to come for Meryl AND Garbo saying they both mostly elevate mediocre movies that person deserves a reading :dally:

Damn, one subtle comparison and I end up triggering half of AW Old Guard. Suddenly the Koons is me!

https://media.giphy.com/media/kf4qoHRDvbAoE/giphy.gif

Naruse
10-21-2016, 01:35 AM
It's a pity that she will never have a Casablanca or Notorious under her belt. And she never worked with an auteur like Hitch, Bergman, Renoir, or Rossellini.

Naruse
10-21-2016, 01:37 AM
Aw, I love Fonda in Coming Home. She was easily the best thing about the movie (granted that's not saying much when you have Voight trying to be omg baity in a wheelchair, Dern screaming, and Milford not really doing anything, lol). I'm so glad she won #2 for that and not Julia the year before. :vomit:

Coming home is awfully outdated and Fonda is the weakest among the actress nominees that year.

Naruse
10-21-2016, 01:39 AM
Meryl was the best in 1979. She came awfully close in 1978, 1982, 1988 and 1995.

Lumierre
09-23-2017, 05:26 AM
Performances I would personally nominate have a *

1978:
1) Stapleton *
2) Smith *
3) Streep * (could possibly be my favorite of the nominees but I haven't seen The Deer Hunter in a long time)
4) Milford
5) Cannon

Geraldine Page should have been nominated in supporting and won. I think Smith is a little overrated here, it's greatly amusing work but doesn't hit many unexpected beats for me. Her film is also pointless and it's cosmically perfect for her to not win and be the film's only nomination, mirroring her character.

1979:
1) Streep * (and my personal winner)
2) Alexander *
3) Bergen
4) Barrie
5) Hemingway

I'd also nominate her for Manhattan, she's perfect in her two scenes.

1981:
1) Keaton *
2) Streep * (but just barely and in the supporting category)
3) Sarandon
4) Hepburn
5) Mason

Streep winning the Golden Globe over Keaton and Hepburn is funny, how did that happen?

1982:
1) Streep * (my personal winner and yours too, unless you have brain damage)
2) Andrews *
3) Lange * (maybe)
4) Spacek
5) Winger (not really a lead role either)

1983:
1) Streep *
2) Alexander *
3) Walters *
4) Winger
5) MacLaine

1985:
1) Goldberg *
2) Page
3) Streep
4) Lange
5) Bancroft

1987:
1) Hunter *
2) Close *
3) Kirkland *
4) Streep (great singing scene ironically puts her over Cher even if the rest is forgettable)
5) Cher (it's a surfacey performance and not so funny as to deserve awards)

1988:
1) Weaver *
2) Streep *
3) Foster *
4) Close
5) Griffith

1990:
1) Huston * (and my personal winner)
2) Bates *
3) Streep *
4) Woodward
5) Roberts

1995:
1) Streep * (and my personal winner)
2) Sarandon *
3) Sharon Stone
4) Thompson
5) Shue

1998:
1) Montenegro *
2) Streep * (should have been in supporting)
3) Blanchett
4) Watson (once upon a time I thought she was best of the category, but even though I still like the film, her performance wasn't so great on rewatch)
5) Paltrow

1999:
1) Bening * (and my personal winner)
2) Swank *
3) McTeer
4) Streep
5) Moore

2002: (would have been happy with any of these 3 winning)
1) Zeta-Jones *
2) Streep *
3) Moore *
4) Latifah
5) Bates

2006:
1) Streep * (and my personal winner)
2) Mirren *
3) Dench *
4) Winslet
5) Cruz

2008: (uninspiring lineup, Winslet was better in her other film)
1) Hathaway
2) Streep
3) Winslet
4) Leo
5) Jolie

2009: (the weakest Best Actress lineup ever, despite Streep's joyous work)
1) Streep *
2) Sidibe
3) Mulligan
4) Mirren
5) Bullock (worst winner ever, she brings nothing beyond a couple stock mannerisms, the script and directing were awful but still; Frances McDormand should have played the character)

2011:
1) Davis *
2) Mara
3) Close
4) Williams
5) Streep (and here's the second-worst winner ever, I was desperate to see Streep win a 3rd, but not like this)

2013:
1) Blanchett *
2) Adams
3) Dench
4) Bullock
5) Streep

2014: (blah)
1) Arquette
2) Streep
3) Dern
4) Emma Stone
5) Knightley

2016)
1) Huppert *
2) Negga
3) Emma Stone
4) Streep
5) Portman

Cinesnatch
09-23-2017, 05:33 AM
I can't disagree with the final results of this poll, but I think Silkwood and Postcards deserve a few more votes.


... She will always be remembered as the actor with the most Oscar nominations ... FIFY

McTeague
09-23-2017, 06:02 AM
The votes for Kramer are incomprehensible and stultifying. All she does is sobbing. Uber-bland performance in an uber-bland film, and like, every modern critic agrees. This is objective. Outgrow the fixation with bland AMPAS fare and with Streep, please.

Rowan
09-23-2017, 06:04 AM
The votes for Kramer are incomprehensible and stultifying. All she does is sobbing. Uber-bland performance in an uber-bland film, and like, every modern critic agrees. This is objective. Outgrow the fixation with bland AMPAS fare and with Streep, please.

lol

CitizenKian
09-23-2017, 06:12 AM
The votes for Kramer are incomprehensible and stultifying. All she does is sobbing. Uber-bland performance in an uber-bland film, and like, every modern critic agrees. This is objective. Outgrow the fixation with bland AMPAS fare and with Streep, please.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LtNsvRbN5Ao/UTsqahLuF5I/AAAAAAAADms/Zcy7oq9WJKo/s1600/I-don%27t-love-you-anymore-kvk.gif

CitizenKian
09-23-2017, 06:36 AM
1978
1) Smith
2) Streep
3) Stapleton
4) Cannon
5) Milford

1979
1) Streep -- 1st win
2) Alexander
3) Bergen
4) Hemingway
5) Barrie

1981
1) Keaton
2) Mason
3) Streep
4) Hepburn
5) Sarandon

1982
1) Streep -- 2nd win
Greatest female acting performance of all-time :clap::bow:
2) Lange
3) Spacek
4) Andrews
5) Winger

1983
1) Streep -- obviously won't win that 3rd that quick
2) MacLaine -- satisfying winner
3) Walters
4) Alexander
5) Winger

1985
1) Goldberg
2) Page
3) Streep
4) Lange
5) Bancroft

1987
1) Close
2) Hunter
3) Cher
4) Kirkland
5) Streep

1988
1) Close
2) Streep
3) Weaver
4) Foster -- damn, this win hasn't aged well
5) Griffith

1990
1) Bates
2) Huston
3) Woodward
4) Streep
5) Roberts

1995
1) Streep -- should've been the 3rd win (although still, a little too early but like come on now this is her 10th nomination already...)
2) Sarandon
3) Stone
4) Thompson
5) Shue

1998
1) Blanchett
2) Montenegro
3) Streep
4) Watson
5) Paltrow -- :lol::lol:

1999
1) Swank
2) Bening
3) Moore
4) McTeer
5) Streep -- Tracy Flick should've been here

2002
1) Zeta-Jones
2) Moore
3) Streep
4) Bates
5) Latifah

2006
1) Streep -- 4th win, duh
2) Dench
3) Mirren
4) Cruz
5) Winslet

2008
1) WInslet
2) Streep
3) Hathaway
4) Jolie
5) Leo

2009
1) Streep -- No, i won't give her 5th with this one
2) Mulligan
3) Sidibe
4) Bullock
5) Mirren

2011
1) Davis -- man, was i upset too...
2) Streep
3) Mara
4) Williams
5) Close

2013
1) Blanchett
2) Dench
3) Bullock
4) Adams
5) Streep

2014
1) Stone
2) Arquette
3) Streep
4) Knightley
5) Dern

2016
1) Huppert
2) Portman
3) Stone
4) Streep
5) Negga

2017
1) Streep -- 5th win
2) Hawkins
3) McDormand
4) Winslet
5) Robbie

Lumierre
09-23-2017, 02:55 PM
The votes for Kramer are incomprehensible and stultifying. All she does is sobbing. Uber-bland performance in an uber-bland film, and like, every modern critic agrees. This is objective.

So you're Dustin Hoffman at the start of the movie.

Sara Allorn
09-23-2017, 03:43 PM
:no: @ her Adaptation performance having more votes than her Devil Wears Prada one.

McTeague
09-23-2017, 04:25 PM
:no: @ her Adaptation performance having more votes than her Devil Wears Prada one.

I know right?

Dr_Dmitri-Yuriev
09-23-2017, 06:47 PM
In retrospect, I kind of wish Meryl did win for Doubt, even though Hathaway was my favorite from the lineup. Because it would've prevented TIL from happening, and had she won, Winslet's thirst would've gone to a whole new epic level.

She should have won for "Julie & Julia", had Winslet lost in 2008, she'd be Oscarless right now.

Blasty
09-23-2017, 07:40 PM
Agreed. She truly did give the best performance of the year in Julie and Julia, too, and had the critics backing her up as proof - it's her most acclaimed performance since Adaptation. She hasn't given a performance as universally loved since then, to be honest.

Dr_Dmitri-Yuriev
09-23-2017, 11:25 PM
Agreed. She truly did give the best performance of the year in Julie and Julia, too, and had the critics backing her up as proof - it's her most acclaimed performance since Adaptation. She hasn't given a performance as universally loved since then, to be honest.

Well I was only saying if they had to give it to her recently it should have been for that, but my pick that year was Cornish who didn't even get nominated :(

Blasty
09-23-2017, 11:31 PM
Well I was only saying if they had to give it to her recently it should have been for that, but my pick that year was Cornish who didn't even get nominated :(

Oh yes, Bright Star, I remember that year, where Cornish fans were preparing for her domination:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4833/2124/1600/nakedbookshelves.0.jpg

OnTheAisle
09-24-2017, 12:58 AM
The votes for Kramer are incomprehensible and stultifying. All she does is sobbing. Uber-bland performance in an uber-bland film, and like, every modern critic agrees. This is objective. Outgrow the fixation with bland AMPAS fare and with Streep, please.

In the past three years, prominent reconsiderations of Meryl Streep’s work, particularly in Kramer vs. Kramer, have been published.

In 2016, Vanity Fair magazine published a close look at the events surrounding the making of Kramer vs. Kramer. New York journalist Michael Schulman used material from his biography of Streep (Her Again) to generate the article, “How Meryl Streep Battled Dustin Hoffman, Retooled Her First Role, and Won the Oscar.” Schulman recounts how Hoffman, in a misguided attempt to "improve" her performance, physically abused Streep by slapping her prior to filming a key scene, taunting her with the recent death of her lover John Cazale, and famously failing to inform her that he would smash a wine glass during filming, leaving Streep with shards of glass in her hair.

While Hoffman’s equally boorish behavior toward actress Gail Strickland reportedly resulted in her being fired and replaced by Jane Alexander, Streep did not falter. Rather, the 29 year old actress stood stronger to speak up for her character. Without Streep’s ardent advocacy, Kramer vs, Kramer could easily have been a “nice daddy and bitch mommy” story.

“The more I thought about it,” Streep told Newsweek after the movie came out, “the more I felt the sensual reason for Joanna’s leaving, the emotional reasons, the ones that aren’t attached to logic. Joanna’s daddy took care of her. Her college took care of her. Then Ted took care of her. Suddenly she just felt incapable of caring for herself.” This study prompted the secret Streep famously employs for each of her roles. Streep shares that for each character she determines a private piece of information about her character that is not shared with her fellow filmmakers. Rather, Streep keeps this secret to herself during shooting and allows it to enrich her character. The secret in Kramer vs. Kramer is that Joanna doesn't stop loving her husband. Rather, she never loved him.

Streep lobbied for a fuller perspective of Joanna Kramer so articulately and forcefully that director Robert Benton agreed for Streep to write her final speech for the child custody testimony scene at the climax of the film. With minor edits, Streep’s dialogue was filmed. “I could have never imagined writing that,” Benton is reported to have said.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1765/3531/products/MothersDayBooks_Streep_grande.jpg?v =1494355767

While the mishegoss of creating a film occurred, Streep still had to put life into the character of this young mother who left her child. In 2014, Cahiers du Cinéma published a critical analysis of Streep’s work as part of its Anatomy of an Actor series. Focusing on ten of her noted film performances, noted film critic and journalist Carina Longworth examined the artistry of the actor. Longworth states, “I make the case that Streep's body of work often seems to function as a kind of alternative history of the 20th century from a female perspective.”

One film examined in the book is Kramer vs. Kramer. The Slate review reads. “If you’ve ever thought that Meryl Streep is often the best thing in a given film, this book is a play-by-play account of why that is.”

Many, including me, believe that Streep does some of her finest work here. She took a role that was meant to be a villain and through preparation and exemplary artistry made her human. It is a remarkable performance that transformed a film into a cultural touchstone, a piece of cinema art with lasting resonance and depth.

Dr_Dmitri-Yuriev
09-24-2017, 07:18 PM
Oh yes, Bright Star, I remember that year, where Cornish fans were preparing for her domination:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4833/2124/1600/nakedbookshelves.0.jpg

Her mantle is not empty, she has an Australian Acadmey Award (AFI)

http://www.aacta.org/media/127219/hero_abbie-cornish128.jpg

But back to the topic at hand, I'd give Streep Oscar for "The French Lieutenant's Woman", "Sophie's Choice" and "A Cry in the Dark".

guany
09-24-2017, 08:09 PM
Aw, I love Fonda in Coming Home. She was easily the best thing about the movie (granted that's not saying much when you have Voight trying to be omg baity in a wheelchair, Dern screaming, and Milford not really doing anything, lol). I'm so glad she won #2 for that and not Julia the year before. :vomit:

LOL it's funny revisiting this comment as I've rewatched Julia since and now I love it and Fonda in it (but I'm glad she didn't win because Keaton), and I'm now kinda over her work in Coming Home and think either Page or Clayburgh should have won that year. But as for Meryl, I also rewatched Postcards From the Edge back in December following Carrie Fisher's passing, and it's now on of my favorites of Meryl's nominated work and I think I may prefer her to Bates in Misery (though Huston is still my favorite).

I've also since revisited Deer Hunter, and I adore Meryl in it and would be hard pressed to not give her the win for it, but if we're sticking to only 3 wins I don't know what to drop. Bridges of Madison county is a must, so Kramer or Julie and Julia? I guess it comes down to who I would rather have an Oscar: Dyan Cannon, Candice Bergen, or Carey Mulligan LOL. I would have already rewarded Cannon for Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice though, so hmmm. Maybe (hopefully?) Streep will win #4 this year and then I don't have to pick!

Since the film wasn't released when I last posted in this thread, I must say that I very much dislike her in Florence Foster Jenkins. :no:

Dr_Dmitri-Yuriev
09-25-2017, 03:47 AM
LOL it's funny revisiting this comment as I've rewatched Julia since and now I love it and Fonda in it (but I'm glad she didn't win because Keaton), and I'm now kinda over her work in Coming Home and think either Page or Clayburgh should have won that year. But as for Meryl, I also rewatched Postcards From the Edge back in December following Carrie Fisher's passing, and it's now on of my favorites of Meryl's nominated work and I think I may prefer her to Bates in Misery (though Huston is still my favorite).

I've also since revisited Deer Hunter, and I adore Meryl in it and would be hard pressed to not give her the win for it, but if we're sticking to only 3 wins I don't know what to drop. Bridges of Madison county is a must, so Kramer or Julie and Julia? I guess it comes down to who I would rather have an Oscar: Dyan Cannon, Candice Bergen, or Carey Mulligan LOL. I would have already rewarded Cannon for Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice though, so hmmm. Maybe (hopefully?) Streep will win #4 this year and then I don't have to pick!

Since the film wasn't released when I last posted in this thread, I must say that I very much dislike her in Florence Foster Jenkins. :no:

Gurl if she gets it for "Bridges" Sarandon would be Oscarless.

Blasty
09-25-2017, 04:25 AM
Gurl if she gets it for "Bridges" Sarandon would be Oscarless.

Eh, she probably should be? I like her. She's a great movie star, she sizzles on screen in the right part, but not everyone needs an Oscar. And I am not a fan of her Oscar win at all.

Rowan
09-25-2017, 04:32 AM
Eh, she probably should be? I like her. She's a great movie star, she sizzles on screen in the right part, but not everyone needs an Oscar. And I am not a fan of her Oscar win at all.

Sarandon in Dead Man Walking is so empathatic and open. She deserves her oscar imo

Blasty
09-25-2017, 04:36 AM
1995 is like one of the greatest years for women on film ever, so no. I get why she won her career Oscar, of course, she had to - it was a done deal - she was playing a nun for Christ's sake, and people make fun of Winslet for desperation, though? Robbins' movie was the ultimate liberal mish-mash, a soft-ball lobbed straight down the middle, right to the bleeding heart liberals in the Academy, a movie so afraid to take a single point of view, it took all of them, so as not to offend anyone. Pick a side, dammitt! Eh, yeah, I don't like Dead Man Walking. :lol:

Rowan
09-25-2017, 04:42 AM
1995 is like one of the greatest years for women on film ever, so no. I get why she won her career Oscar, of course, she had to - it was a done deal - she was playing a nun for Christ's sake, and people make fun of Winslet for desperation, though? Robbins' movie was the ultimate liberal mish-mash, a soft-ball lobbed straight down the middle, right to the bleeding heart liberals in the Academy, a movie so afraid to take a single point of view, it took all of them, so as not to offend anyone. Pick a side, dammitt! Eh, yeah, I don't like Dead Man Walking. :lol:

You didn't like it's handling of the subject matter? I thoight it was very nuanced in that it never really let him off the hook for his crimes while acknowledging that he was sorry about what he did...

skuLd
09-25-2017, 04:47 AM
eeew. Secretion Sarandon's perf in DMW is fine. But I have huge problems with that character. It's not even her story. Such a bro movie. :no:

Rowan
09-25-2017, 04:49 AM
eeew. Secretion Sarandon's perf in DMW is fine. But I have huge problems with that character. It's not even her story. Such a bro movie. :no:

Huh..maybe I watched it wrong..then :(

Blasty
09-25-2017, 04:51 AM
You didn't like it's handling of the subject matter? I thoight it was very nuanced in that it never really let him off the hook for his crimes while acknowledging that he was sorry about what he did...

It was practically mathematically balanced. To me, it rang false. Too perfectly calibrated and toothless. But of course, it struck the perfect tone for Oscar-bait and the Academy. But I think it was controversial back then, as well. I mean, despite seemingly being tailer made for a segment of the Academy, it couldn't break into Best Picture. Which is interesting. I actually had predicted it would make the top 5 in my predictions that year. The older Academy members likedly passed, just like they did with Leaving Las Vegas

skuLd
09-25-2017, 04:59 AM
Huh..maybe I watched it wrong..then :(

it's not HER story. and her character barely has any agency. she merely did everything Penn's character asked her to do.

SP: please help me go through this phase in my life, sister(in a letter)
SS: ...owkur
SP: help me with my appeal
SS: owkur
SP: get me lawyer
SS: owkur
SP: let me tell ya the real story sistah
SS: owkur. imma sit here listening
SP: be my spiritual adviser
SS: owkur
SP: please do this. please do that.
SS: owkur

the film barely even spent time digging her motivations.

Rowan
09-25-2017, 05:03 AM
it's not HER story. and her character barely has any agency. she merely did everything Penn's character asked her to do.

SP: please help me go through this phase in my life, sister(in a letter)
SS: ...owkur
SP: help me with my appeal
SS: owkur
SP: get me lawyer
SS: owkur
SP: let me tell ya the real story sistah
SS: owkur. imma sit here listening
SP: be my spiritual adviser
SS: owkur
SP: please do this. please do that.
SS: owkur

the film barely even spent time digging her motivations.

Well, I just thought she was a good person and really wanted to help him :( I believed her in the simplicity of her mission, I think she was very good in conveying that.

skuLd
09-25-2017, 05:05 AM
Well, I just thought she was a good person and really wanted to help him :(

I know she is. but that's it. she's such a flat character. the film should've been about her. it should've talked about her because no1currs about Sean Penn. -_-

Rowan
09-25-2017, 05:09 AM
I know she is. but that's it. she's such a flat character. the film should've been about her. it should've talked about her because no1currs about Sean Penn. -_-

What performance do you think in which she's oscar worthy, then?

Dr_Dmitri-Yuriev
09-25-2017, 05:13 AM
What performance do you think in which she's oscar worthy, then?

She should have won for "Lorenzo's Oil" too. Though perhaps we should make a Sarandon thread, we're going off topic here :lol:

skuLd
09-25-2017, 05:17 AM
What performance do you think in which she's oscar worthy, then?

probably Thelma and Louise. maybe even Atlantic City(correct year is 1980, not 1981), but that year is also stacked with Leading Lady Stah performances :bow:.

McTeague
09-25-2017, 05:53 AM
1995 is like one of the greatest years for women on film ever, so no. I get why she won her career Oscar, of course, she had to - it was a done deal - she was playing a nun for Christ's sake, and people make fun of Winslet for desperation, though? Robbins' movie was the ultimate liberal mish-mash, a soft-ball lobbed straight down the middle, right to the bleeding heart liberals in the Academy, a movie so afraid to take a single point of view, it took all of them, so as not to offend anyone. Pick a side, dammitt! Eh, yeah, I don't like Dead Man Walking. :lol:

In which world does Dead Man Walking NOT take a point of view? LOL, wtf? It shows all points of view. And then it rather clearly takes its own. Against death penalty, radically.

And it was definitely NOT AMPAS bait, rather the opposite with its clear political statement, or its uber-dry shot-reverse-shot approach. Which is why it didn't get into BP, and why Penn didn't win the Oscar he richly deserved, and why it didn't get in screenplay either. Sarandon only won because overdue. No other actress would have won in that role (as precursors showed).

VSW
09-25-2017, 06:06 AM
I still unashamedly love Sarandon in DMW and I'm happy she did get the Oscar for it. :yes:

McTeague
09-25-2017, 06:10 AM
I still unashamedly love Sarandon in DMW and I'm happy she did get the Oscar for it. :yes:

The funny thing is that I actually don't love Sarandon in DMW, despite utterly loving the movie to pieces. She's very good, but my 1995 winner is Streep, and if not her, then Shue. Now, Penn is my winner, of 1995 and almost of the decade. They had the male and female Oscars reverted: Shue would have deserved transforming her critics sweep to an Oscar (although I still prefer Meryl by a hair) while Cage should have lost to Penn (or to Massimo Troisi, or to Jonathan Pryce... or really to anyone, because he should have won the razzie at most).

skuLd
09-25-2017, 06:14 AM
She's very good, but my 1995 winner is Streep, and if not her, then Shue.

but I thought your 1995 winner is Nicole Kidman in To Die For - the film that made you wanna stan for her 4-ever and ever!

McTeague
09-25-2017, 06:16 AM
but I thought your 1995 winner is Nicole Kidman in To Die For - the film that made you wanna stan for her 4-ever and ever!

:mariahdontknowher:

VSW
09-25-2017, 06:25 AM
She should have won for "Lorenzo's Oil" too. Though perhaps we should make a Sarandon thread, we're going off topic here :lol:

There's this thread right here! (http://awardswatch.com/forums/showthread.php?40021-Rank-Rate-St-Susie-Sarandon&highlight=sarandon)

It was created before she went full bonkers during the US election, tho. :(

skuLd
09-25-2017, 06:41 AM
:mariahdontknowher:

nooooooooooo

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpfsu1YHg91qzdvd4o1_500.gif

McTeague
09-25-2017, 06:45 AM
Miss Kidman is very good, and funny, but the character is rather one note. She would never win in a year as strong as 1995. I'm not even sure I'd nominate ha!

skuLd
09-25-2017, 07:09 AM
Miss Kidman is very good, and funny, but the character is rather one note. She would never win in a year as strong as 1995. I'm not even sure I'd nominate ha!

ya know I was just teasing ya gurl :P

McTeague
09-25-2017, 07:11 AM
I do know! :love:

But one must use every chance one has to remind everyone that Kidman isn't always the best by default. Sometimes Streep is!

skuLd
09-25-2017, 07:34 AM
back to topic: Meryl's lead nom for her perf in Ironweed. Her role though is "borderline supporting". A tough film to watch because of the subject matter, but I wonder if voters actually watched this film. they probably just checked out the poster/promos and saw that Meryl looked like a co-lead and nominated her in that category. not complaining though, her performance is, as usual, amazing.

its classic film poster: no faces, no scenes, just the shot of the actors(taken from the video below) in a plain background and their names: Nicholson and Streep.
http://www.impawards.com/1987/posters/ironweed.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GczYecHWTqM

McTeague
09-25-2017, 07:35 AM
It's one of Meh's worst performances, ew! Gross. And many Meh stans support me. :deal:

skuLd
09-25-2017, 07:39 AM
It's one of Meh's worst performances, ew! Gross. And many Meh stans support me. :deal:

she stayed true to the character written in the book, but yeah it's not her story. hence, she's borderline suppawting.

McTeague
09-25-2017, 07:40 AM
she stayed true to the character written in the book, but yeah it's not her story. hence, she's borderline suppawting.

In the book they described her as a Hollywood WASP unsuccessfully trying to pass as white trash? I'm shocked!

Cinesnatch
09-25-2017, 07:44 AM
it's not HER story. and her character barely has any agency. she merely did everything Penn's character asked her to do.

SP: please help me go through this phase in my life, sister(in a letter)
SS: ...owkur
SP: help me with my appeal
SS: owkur
SP: get me lawyer
SS: owkur
SP: let me tell ya the real story sistah
SS: owkur. imma sit here listening
SP: be my spiritual adviser
SS: owkur
SP: please do this. please do that.
SS: owkur

the film barely even spent time digging her motivations.

I read a review back in the day that asserted that were it not for Sister PreJean, Poncelet would have never confessed and sought redemption. Always stuck with me.

Rowan
09-25-2017, 07:49 AM
I read a review back in the day that asserted that were it not for Sister PreJean, Poncelet would have never confessed and sought redemption. Always stuck with me.

Interesting..I didn't read it but I can only go with the scene in which he confesses everything to her..and I can believe that it was because how open and kind she was to him

Cinesnatch
09-25-2017, 07:52 AM
... Robbins' movie was the ultimate liberal mish-mash, a soft-ball lobbed straight down the middle, right to the bleeding heart liberals in the Academy, a movie so afraid to take a single point of view, it took all of them, so as not to offend anyone. Pick a side, dammitt! Eh, yeah, I don't like Dead Man Walking. :lol:

Actually, I always found the film to objectively present both sides of the debate while also still taking a (subtle) POV. I found the film's balance to be rather refreshing, intelligent, and a testament to every experience in the equation. Because there rarely is ever one clear answer. Or maybe there is, but there are still several other factors to consider. Which this film did. :shrug:

OnTheAisle
09-25-2017, 07:57 AM
I don’t like Ironweed. I am surprised to read that some people do. It is a unrelenting dour film about hopelessness. Director Hector Babenco who received deserved recognition for Pixote and Kiss of the Spider Woman is not up to the task of visualizing William Kennedy’s Pulitizer Prize winning novel. I am not sure anyone could.

Ironweed is a novel One should read before seeing the film. Nothing much occurs in the film’s 143 minutes. Reading the novel allows the viewer to understand the silences since the film is simply unable to convey the message cinematically. Best Actor nominee Jack Nicholson clearly read the book. He well plays alcoholic Frances Phelan who wanders Depression era Albany New York after accidentally dropping his 13 day old son resulting in the infant’s instant death. Nicholson buries his trademark mannerisms to explore the character’s depth of loss. It’s a fine performance but neither cinematic nor entertaining.

The best sequence of the film is Phelan’s return to the family he abandoned shortly after the death. He finds his wife Annie and his children older. Played mostly in silence, it is quickly evident that Annie still loves and longs for her husband who cannot find the inner strength to forgive himself. Carroll Baker who was departmentalized by her sexuality in her early career is a revelation here. She is terrific in a few, brief underplayed moments.

Best Actress nominee Meryl Streep plays Helen, also an alcoholic. In what could be considered a supporting performance but probably wasn’t to give Baker a shot at a well deserved supporting actress nomination, Streep has the heartbreaking and unforgettable moment singing “He’s Me Pal” in the bar where she recalls her youth and sings to an audience of long ago. Streep’s fine work is noted in her physical transformation with the runny, red eyes, the odd speech pattern, and disconcertingly flapping hands of a woman whose body has begun to fail as a result of years of abuse.

McTeague
09-25-2017, 08:04 AM
Sorry, Aisle, I forgot to address your KvK post!

I knew all that Streep did and fought for that role on the set. But to me, sadly, nothing of that can be seen on the final movie/performance. She has her early scene, where she indeed isn't bland when she leaves Dustin (and you can see in her eyes she never loved him, indeed), but when she re-eppears it's a writing mess that not even all her enormous acting talent can salvage. The melodramatic turn that she stops fighting custody, the melodramatic tears on the court... It's all incredibly bland and soapy, and that's all there is to the character. I think it's one of her blandest turns, and the reason why her naysayers during the 80s said Meryl's only trick were crying very well or doing accents. I don't agree with them, but if I had to judge by KvK I'd certainly do.

skuLd
09-25-2017, 08:15 AM
I don’t like Ironweed. I am surprised to read that some people do.

I didn't say I love it though(did anyone mention this film in this thread before I did? didn't check, sawrry. I said I like Meh's perf being promoted to Lead because she's a Leading Lady Stah.


Ironweed is a novel One should read before seeing the film. Nothing much occurs in the film’s 143 minutes.

And that's the problem right there. While no film can quite adequately translate the poetry of third person narrative to the screen, there is no question that the look, the feel, the aura of the film all perfectly match the book. But yes, direction is very slow. I mean, it's a 200-page book. It shoud be less than 1 and a half hour.


Best Actress nominee Meryl Streep plays Helen, also an alcoholic. In what could be considered a supporting performance but probably wasn’t to give Baker a shot at a well deserved supporting actress nomination, Streep has the heartbreaking and unforgettable moment singing “He’s Me Pal” in the bar where she recalls her youth and sings to an audience of long ago. Streep’s fine work is noted in her physical transformation with the runny, red eyes, the odd speech pattern, and disconcertingly flapping hands of a woman whose body has begun to fail as a result of years of abuse.

I agree.

Blasty
09-25-2017, 08:42 AM
back to topic: Meryl's lead nom for her perf in Ironweed. Her role though is "borderline supporting". A tough film to watch because of the subject matter, but I wonder if voters actually watched this film. they probably just checked out the poster/promos and saw that Meryl looked like a co-lead and nominated her in that category. not complaining though, her performance is, as usual, amazing.

its classic film poster: no faces, no scenes, just the shot of the actors(taken from the video below) in a plain background and their names: Nicholson and Streep.
http://www.impawards.com/1987/posters/ironweed.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GczYecHWTqM

Ironweed is one of my favorite Meryl films, don't listen to McDepression! He's wrong! It's a masterpiece and Meryl does some of the finest work of her career in the key that she misplaced in Doubt, incidentally. She, essentially, trots out the same accent in Doubt, but no one noticed because they haven't seen Ironweed. It's amazing actressing - her battles with Jack are stupendous.

Peppin
09-25-2017, 10:15 AM
I loved Meryl in Ironweed! She is amazing.

EvaSofie
09-30-2017, 11:42 PM
The votes for Kramer are incomprehensible and stultifying. All she does is sobbing. Uber-bland performance in an uber-bland film, and like, every modern critic agrees. This is objective. Outgrow the fixation with bland AMPAS fare and with Streep, please.
Well hello Pauline Kael.


It's one of Meh's worst performances, ew! Gross. And many Meh stans support me. :deal:
Stop calling her Meh already, it's insulting.

Bottom line is there's a difference between having an opinion and being a bitter asshole.

McTeague
10-01-2017, 06:23 AM
Just like there's a difference between a good-humored fan and a whiner.

Worst new poster of the month? Welcome!

EvaSofie
10-01-2017, 11:21 AM
It's possible to critique her work without insulting her one-of-a-kind acting abilities, try it sometime. You aren't helping yourself by calling her a childish name.

Also, was the Pauline Kael thing not good-humored?

Blasty
10-01-2017, 01:15 PM
The new members here don't seem to get our AW sense of humor, I'm noticing. Please don't take us so seriously. We kid about all the legends here. This is not IMDB message boards. We have alot of fun here and all are made fun of. We throw shade at everyone here, it's a time honored tradition.

Orlean
10-01-2017, 02:35 PM
Well, even Felicia Jones is somehow a legend here....

guany
10-03-2017, 11:10 AM
The votes for Kramer are incomprehensible and stultifying. All she does is sobbing. Uber-bland performance in an uber-bland film, and like, every modern critic agrees. This is objective. Outgrow the fixation with bland AMPAS fare and with Streep, please.

I've been watching (Heartburn, One True Thing; Defending Your Life is next on my list) and re-watching (Kramer, with Adaptation and Sophie's Choice next up) a number of Streep performances lately, and I think I can defend Meryl's Kramer performance here. I've said before that I appreciate it when Meryl plays more naturalistic, without the accents and wigs, and I think Kramer is one of her best in that regard. It's one of the few Meryl performances I can watch and actually, truly forget that it's Meryl, and, for me, that's a big deal. Huge, really. It's one of her more subtle performances, and I feel like she only gets shit for it because she's Meryl; if someone else had given the exact same performance, everyone would praise it as some amazing, forgotten supporting actress winner. She brings the humanity, and you can truly feel her pain as a mother leaving her child. There is nothing flashy about this performance, and I feel like Meryl shouldn't be punished for this kind of role. For me, Kramer is in that Deer Hunter, Heartburn, Postcards, etc. territory. It's the kind of Meryl that I like, as opposed to things like Doubt or Florence Foster Jenkins, where the character overshadows the actress.

And I don't think that Kramer is an uber-bland film, either. It's a solid film with a message, and I think said message is strongly delivered in the same way as something like An Unmarried Woman. It's a typical '70s film, but it's a strong one. Kramer just gets beat up on for beating Apocalypse Now, but the film is deeper than most believe and it deserves a second look.

The Dark Poet
10-03-2017, 11:41 AM
Stop calling her Meh already, it's insulting.

Bottom line is there's a difference between having an opinion and being a bitter asshole.

Oh damn, the user who has been here less than a month and has 12 posts is calling one of the most respected veterans of AW "a bitter asshole"

Clearly you don't understand McIconique's sense of humor, nor AW's tender and fond nicknames and epithets for our favorite leading lady stahs!

So suck it up buttercup and learn the flow of AW before you go on and call McTeague an asshole without knowing who the hell he or any of us are.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/cadd4644ab48a80c2bcf6453b8623ea2/tumblr_inline_nwupmdutiY1scdf1n_540 .gif

Orlean
10-03-2017, 12:25 PM
I've been watching (Heartburn, One True Thing; Defending Your Life is next on my list) and re-watching (Kramer, with Adaptation and Sophie's Choice next up) a number of Streep performances lately, and I think I can defend Meryl's Kramer performance here. I've said before that I appreciate it when Meryl plays more naturalistic, without the accents and wigs, and I think Kramer is one of her best in that regard. It's one of the few Meryl performances I can watch and actually, truly forget that it's Meryl, and, for me, that's a big deal. Huge, really. It's one of her more subtle performances, and I feel like she only gets shit for it because she's Meryl; if someone else had given the exact same performance, everyone would praise it as some amazing, forgotten supporting actress winner. She brings the humanity, and you can truly feel her pain as a mother leaving her child. There is nothing flashy about this performance, and I feel like Meryl shouldn't be punished for this kind of role. For me, Kramer is in that Deer Hunter, Heartburn, Postcards, etc. territory. It's the kind of Meryl that I like, as opposed to things like Doubt or Florence Foster Jenkins, where the character overshadows the actress.

And I don't think that Kramer is an uber-bland film, either. It's a solid film with a message, and I think said message is strongly delivered in the same way as something like An Unmarried Woman. It's a typical '70s film, but it's a strong one. Kramer just gets beat up on for beating Apocalypse Now, but the film is deeper than most believe and it deserves a second look.

Heartburn! :love:
I love that Defending Your Life is still her 2nd highest raited film on RT.

guany
10-03-2017, 12:54 PM
Oh, I guess I should say something about One True Thing, lol, since I just watched it. I liked Meryl and she gave a touching performance and I'm not opposed to her Oscar nod, but she's clearly supporting? Renee was the lead. Meryl was good, and I would have been okay with a supporting nod, I guess, but it's the kind of role that any actress in her age-range could have done. Meryl brings a lot of warmth, and that's her strength here, but I would have loved to have seen someone like Kathleen Turner in this, though perhaps she would have been too bitchy and overbearing? LOL. Dianne Wiest could have pulled it off, though. :hmmm:


Heartburn! :love:
I love that Defending Your Life is still her 2nd highest raited film on RT.

I love Heartburn! Well, the film isn't that great, but I still have to love it because the Nichols/Ephron/Streep/Nicholson combo is better than most films have to offer. It's 100% now one of my rainy day movies, just to watch for the chemistry of the two leads, the witty dialogue, the gorgeous Georgetown townhome, and the scene where Meryl talks about Thelma Rice's "infection", LMFAO. I get the criticism that Meryl isn't the best choice for a Nora Ephron stand-in, and while it would have been fun to bump up Stockard Channing to the lead role, I don't really care.

As for Defending Your Life, it's high up on my list not only because it's on HBO until the end of this month, but also because Vulture ranked it #4 (http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/all-42-meryl-streep-movie-performances-ranked.html) on their list of Meryl movies, ranked by performance. :drool: :eek:

EvaSofie
10-03-2017, 01:07 PM
Oh damn, the user who has been here less than a month and has 12 posts is calling one of the most respected veterans of AW "a bitter asshole"

Clearly you don't understand McIconique's sense of humor, nor AW's tender and fond nicknames and epithets for our favorite leading lady stahs!

So suck it up buttercup and learn the flow of AW before you go on and call McTeague an asshole without knowing who the hell he or any of us are.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/cadd4644ab48a80c2bcf6453b8623ea2/tumblr_inline_nwupmdutiY1scdf1n_540 .gif

All I've seen from him in reference to her are shady posts. Maybe if he would say something nice I would think differently.

Orlean
10-03-2017, 01:16 PM
Oh, I guess I should say something about One True Thing, lol, since I just watched it. I liked Meryl and she gave a touching performance and I'm not opposed to her Oscar nod, but she's clearly supporting? Renee was the lead. Meryl was good, and I would have been okay with a supporting nod, I guess, but it's the kind of role that any actress in her age-range could have done. Meryl brings a lot of warmth, and that's her strength here, but I would have loved to have seen someone like Kathleen Turner in this, though perhaps she would have been too bitchy and overbearing? LOL. Dianne Wiest could have pulled it off, though. :hmmm:

Yes, she's Supporting in OTT and woudn't mind her being nominated in the BSA category. It was the OMGMERYLPLAYSACHARACTERWITHCANCER!-narrative that got her there.


I love Heartburn! Well, the film isn't that great, but I still have to love it because the Nichols/Ephron/Streep/Nicholson combo is better than most films have to offer. It's 100% now one of my rainy day movies, just to watch for the chemistry of the two leads, the witty dialogue, the gorgeous Georgetown townhome, and the scene where Meryl talks about Thelma Rice's "infection", LMFAO. I get the criticism that Meryl isn't the best choice for a Nora Ephron stand-in, and while it would have been fun to bump up Stockard Channing to the lead role, I don't really care.

Yay! :clap:
It's just such a pleasure to watch. I do get the criticism too, but here Meryl really showed her comedic talent. Love her chemistry with Jack here. :yes:


As for Defending Your Life, it's high up on my list not only because it's on HBO until the end of this month, but also because Vulture ranked it #4 (http://www.vulture.com/2015/08/all-42-meryl-streep-movie-performances-ranked.html) on their list of Meryl movies, ranked by performance. :drool: :eek:

4th? Wow, color me surprised! And highter than ACINTD and Bridges! Lists are subjective, love MM! at 16 and the top 2 though. :drool:

EvaSofie
10-03-2017, 01:27 PM
Honestly guys, I'm not trying to annoy anyone it's just she got so much shit for the speech (not that whatever anyone has said has anything to do with it) and those kinds of hateful comments sting for a long time, especially when they were bullying fans too.

guany
10-03-2017, 02:18 PM
Yay! :clap:
It's just such a pleasure to watch. I do get the criticism too, but here Meryl really showed her comedic talent. Love her chemistry with Jack here. :yes:


I am obsessed with the Carly Simon song, lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9cidpLcPgA

:bow:

And yes, Meryl really gets the comedy as well as the heartbreak in this. It's no wonder Nora Ephron worked with her again on Julie and Julia (one of my favorite Meryl performances). Heartburn is one of her most underrated performances, imo. Nicholson was fun, too, but he also played the typical slimy '80s Nicholson. Mandy Patinkin had the role originally, but he was fired after a couple of days because he wanted to change the Bernstein role and he gave Meryl notes, lmao? But it's hard to imagine anyone other than Meryl and Jack in the roles. Ugh, I need to watch Ironweed! :yes:

The Dark Poet
10-03-2017, 02:25 PM
Honestly guys, I'm not trying to annoy anyone it's just she got so much shit for the speech (not that whatever anyone has said has anything to do with it) and those kinds of hateful comments sting for a long time, especially when they were bullying fans too.

1. We've been calling her Meh for years. Its not a new thing and has nothing to do with the speech
2. That speech was received AMAZINGLY here. We were all shooketh by her anger and powerful rhetoric
3. AW loves her. You're in a thread with 11 pages, 90% of posts here being praising her performances and her career
4. She knows how overexposed she is. She even makes fun of her constant recognition. She's a tough girl, and I am sure if she had to be here, you would laugh off McTeague's comments, because "Meh" is really not so bad, come on.

Friend, you're new here. You'll get used to it here on AW. I understand how our sense of humor can be a bit jarring at first, but know that no one means any harm, especially not McTeague who has been a champion for actresses for years. In the meantime, maybe rather focus on just understanding what happens here instead of calling long-time users names and accusing them of things, because you don't come off as a strong person, you come off as a humorless stan and someone who wants to make enemies here.

Just stay cool. We love Meryl.

Lumierre
10-03-2017, 02:36 PM
Calling every actress either legend or a derogatory term is tiresome and childish to me. I can barely stand to enter the Wonder Wheel thread, it's pretty gross. This post especially - http://awardswatch.com/forums/showthread.php?44170-The-WONDER-WHEEL-Thread-3-Starring-BFCA-winner-Kate-Winslet&p=3148286&viewfull=1#post3148286 - where it's argued that any fan of Kate Winslet is mentally unbalanced and incapable of understanding things they see.

guany
10-03-2017, 02:41 PM
Calling every actress either legend or a derogatory term is tiresome and childish to me. I can barely stand to enter the Wonder Wheel thread, it's pretty gross. This post especially - http://awardswatch.com/forums/showthread.php?44170-The-WONDER-WHEEL-Thread-3-Starring-BFCA-winner-Kate-Winslet&p=3148286&viewfull=1#post3148286 - where it's argued that any fan of Kate Winslet is mentally unbalanced and incapable of understanding things they see.

LOL I knew who the poster was before clicking on the link. :lol:

Blasty
10-03-2017, 04:40 PM
guany I love how you're watching all these Meryl films, some of them the lesser talked about ones! I love Heartburn and that Carly Simon song! Such a good film.

And I really, really don't like the movie One True Thing. I find it infuriating. It was such a chore to sit through, in particular because of William Hurt. Whether, it's his character or performance, I'm not sure but I couldn't stand everything to do with him and it just made the movie unpleasant. And to be honest, I don't think I really enjoy Meryl's character that much in this, either. It's just an annoying movie for me. Annoying, buzzing WASPs who I never needed to know about. Just a whatever movie. Meryl has one great scene, but otherwise, it's probably her worst nominated and most forgettable performance that made it to Oscar.

Come to thing of it, her other character/performance from this year, Dancing at LunNausea isn't much better. 1998 is not one of my favorite Meryl years for either the films or her performances. It's definitely overrated. I remember at the time the year was talked about as like a big come-back for her with those two films. Eh. Or should I say Meh. I liked Before and After much, much better, as well as her TV movie First Do No Harm, and yes, even the underrated The House of the Spirits, and most of all The Music of the Heart and The River Wild, more than these 2 films. I'd say her '98 films are her worst of the '90s. For me.

McTeague
10-03-2017, 10:37 PM
Calling every actress either legend or a derogatory term is tiresome and childish to me. I can barely stand to enter the Wonder Wheel thread, it's pretty gross. This post especially - http://awardswatch.com/forums/showthread.php?44170-The-WONDER-WHEEL-Thread-3-Starring-BFCA-winner-Kate-Winslet&p=3148286&viewfull=1#post3148286 - where it's argued that any fan of Kate Winslet is mentally unbalanced and incapable of understanding things they see.

No, it's not argued that "any" fan of Winslet is "mentally unbalanced". It's argued that "many" (big difference) act as if entitled by some objective standard of acting quality by which Winslet should be above criticism for her acting (big difference also from being "mentally unbalanced"). Feel free to feel outraged (and alluded, maybe?) by that comment, many here can attest it's most definitely true.

Lumierre
10-03-2017, 10:57 PM
I feel like you're speaking gibberish in this tirade against Winslet. I didn't see any Winslet fans posting anything crazy. A couple people just tried to argue against the idea of her being an actress who is wholly undeserving of acclaim, which is how she is being treated. It's too much. Maybe you didn't find their arguments convincing, but I did not see anyone suggesting she is an infallible acting goddess who should be immune to any criticism.

McTeague
10-03-2017, 11:08 PM
I feel like you're speaking gibberish in this tirade against Winslet. I didn't see any Winslet fans posting anything crazy. A couple people just tried to argue against the idea of her being an actress who is wholly undeserving of acclaim, which is how she is being treated. It's too much. Maybe you didn't find their arguments convincing, but I did not see anyone suggesting she is an infallible acting goddess who should be immune to any criticism.

Yes, a couple of people argued against the idea of her being wholly undeserving of acclaim... Despite the fact that nobody had argued Winslet was wholly undeserving of acclaim. I had just argued she's not as acclaimed as Blanchett, yet in their minds that read "OMG, he's saying Winslet isn't acclaimed at all and doesn't deserve any acclaim!". That says it all.

Also, in that thread, read the posts saying "I find the hatred for Winslet bizarre" and "I had never encountered this outside this board". Why is it so shocking and bizarre to find criticism of Winslet? That's the attitude I describe, although a very subdued version compared to the outrage you found between 2004 and 2008 whenever someone said "I don't think she's that good".

David Giancarlo
10-04-2017, 04:43 AM
I hate to say, I rewatched Adaptation. a few weeks ago, and I have sort of fallen out of love with Meh in it. Fuck you, McTeague, even though you were right, yes, again. :rolleyes: She still has a couple scenes that I still LOVE (the dial tone - some of her best comedy - and the moment in bed where she gets all existential about wanting to love shit passionately: it is still very good, but not so good that it makes her like #2 of all time after Joan Blondell in Opening Night like I used to say... those days were a mess), but I don't really like the movie very much, if at all, anymore, and the performance overall is not as deep or full or cohesive as I remembered/hoped it being. :shrug: Even still, she is probably #2 of that line-up. :shrug: I think I let the acclaim (especially with how hard it has been to build this kind of consensus when it comes to her work)and my Streep standom colour that performance more positively than I should have.

UPDATE: Oscar nominated performances ranking:
1. August: Osage County
2. The Bridges of Madison County
3. The Devil Wears Prada
4. Silkwood
5. Into the Woods* (Her singing parts. Monumental. Towering. The rest of the comedy/filler in between is just okay)
6. Sophie's Choice
7. Doubt
8. A Cry in the Dark
9. The Deer Hunter
10. Florence Foster Jenkins
11. Postcards from the Edge
12. Kramer vs. Kramer
13. Julie & Julia
14. Out of Africa
15. Adaptation.
16. The Iron Lady
17. The French Lieutenant's Woman
18. One True Thing
NS: Ironweed Not fully seen: Music of the Heart

Sara Allorn
10-04-2017, 04:52 AM
:clap:

I clearly have a very good influence!

Rowan
10-04-2017, 05:06 AM
August:Osage county is such a horrid movie, and a horrid performance by Meryl.

David Giancarlo
10-04-2017, 05:12 AM
I do have to say, in favour of her Adaptation. performance: it is very much a star (in a suppawting) role, where she very much relies on her charisma and being Meryl. It has its charm, and is still very fun, but I don't know that I could say with a straight face that this is a great feat of acting. She just channels everything that we already like about her, in a role that is sufficiently out of her wheelhouse, enough. And that's great! It's a lot of fun. I would like her to do more of that. But that also doesn't really make it a very substantial performance, either. I mean: at this point, I would rank this as about equal (though maybe a little bit more, because the material is better) with her Stuck on You performance, where she elevates a bad movie, and is super fun, and super memorable. :kthxbai:

David Giancarlo
10-04-2017, 05:13 AM
August:Osage county is such a horrid movie, and a horrid performance by Meryl.

You don't know anything.

Rowan
10-04-2017, 05:15 AM
You don't know anything.

Well, I know this. She was very bad in it, but then great in FFJ..

Blasty
10-04-2017, 05:15 AM
Um, no, Adaptation is on another level, another plane, of acting, that only lessers could dream of! Star-acting! Puhlease! Hollywood stars can only dream of doing the otherworldly work Meryl achieves in Adaptation, which is up there with her best performances and best films. In fact, it probably is her best film, to be honest. It's in my Top 20 greatest films ever, in fact.

David Giancarlo
10-04-2017, 05:28 AM
Um, no, Adaptation is on another level, another plane, of acting, that only lessers could dream of! Star-acting! Puhlease! Hollywood stars can only dream of doing the otherworldly work Meryl achieves in Adaptation, which is up there with her best performances and best films. In fact, it probably is her best film, to be honest. It's in my Top 20 greatest films ever, in fact.

Blasty. I LOVE you. But this is a very Blasty post. Her best film? Top 20 greatest films ever? Hell no. Her work in Adaptation. is probably on another plane of the best charisma ever, but not best acting. Yes, it's great star-acting! Yes, it's iconic! But as iconic as a great, charismatic Streep television interview. She trots out all the things we have always loved about her. Quelle surprise! She's loose and gorgeous and warm and funny and VERY MERYL (which also happens in a good Meryl interview). But she has had like at least 15 performances that are better than this. And, for the record, Meryl's Best Fim is The Bridges of Madison County. :deal:

Blasty
10-04-2017, 05:34 AM
The Bridges of Madison County is a great film but Clint Eastwood is not capable of delivering a film that would have a place in my Top 100, even, so no. Yeah, his style is just not Blastylicious enough to make me love his films on that level. Spare and restrained only go so far in my book. But I do greatly appreciate his work here.

Sara Allorn
10-04-2017, 05:37 AM
I have plenty of Meryl performances/film to see (and yet, I have seen that awful Uma Thurman film, where Meryl plays a therapist and Uma is fucking her son, who's way younger, lmao), but I know this : Meryl's performance in Adaptation is in no way better than her Devil Wears Prada's. That performance is on another plane and another level of acting that the lesser could only wish to achieve.

She's fine in Adaptation, charismatic and fun, but she really doesn't have much material. And the film sucks. Again, Devil Wears Prada is much better :deal:

Blasty
10-04-2017, 05:45 AM
Um, no I don't think so. Devil Wears Prada is one of the most fun movies ever, sure, and endlessly watchable, of course, I adore it. But it's not particularly elevated material at all or particularly great as a work of art in any way (not that it needs to be). But it's great fun, but not a great picture. And the same goes for what is also the definition HERE of Meryl being ICONIC but but without being particularly deep or truly great with her performance here, and in fact she's more supporting here than in Adaptation. Love her STAR performance here, though, THIS is the best example of that, for sure.

And anyway, whatever, it's a pretty minority opinion to slam Adaptation, McTeague, excluded, of course - most would consider that to be Meryl's if not best film, in her top 3, certainly by reviews it is, and by critical acclaim, it's also up there with her best performances.

Rowan
10-04-2017, 05:48 AM
I have plenty of Meryl performances/film to see (and yet, I have seen that awful Uma Thurman film, where Meryl plays a therapist and Uma is fucking her son, who's way younger, lmao), but I know this : Meryl's performance in Adaptation is in no way better than her Devil Wears Prada's. That performance is on another plane and another level of acting that the lesser could only wish to achieve.

She's fine in Adaptation, charismatic and fun, but she really doesn't have much material. And the film sucks. Again, Devil Wears Prada is much better :deal:

For once a good opinion :lol:

Orlean
10-04-2017, 05:57 AM
LMAO. Such a great queen and we all love her differently. :lol:

I adore her in Adaptation, that's why I choosed my nickname. You can come for this anytime, but you won't break my love for her in it. Never. :deal:
And yes, without Meryl's Miranda Priestly, The Devil wears Prada would have been just a decent movie (I guess-who knows if people would even remember it).
But she did make this character (unlike the novel) respected and admired and thanks to the Hotel room scene (the best film scene after SC for sure) even sympathic. That's why it's sometimes a though fight for the 2nd place in my ranking. SC is untouchable at #1, though.

David Giancarlo
10-04-2017, 06:00 AM
I have plenty of Meryl performances/film to see (and yet, I have seen that awful Uma Thurman film, where Meryl plays a therapist and Uma is fucking her son, who's way younger, lmao), but I know this : Meryl's performance in Adaptation is in no way better than her Devil Wears Prada's. That performance is on another plane and another level of acting that the lesser could only wish to achieve.

She's fine in Adaptation, charismatic and fun, but she really doesn't have much material. And the film sucks. Again, Devil Wears Prada is much better :deal:

This.

The Devil Wears Parada is Meryl's best comedic performance, and if you caught me on the right day, I might cite it as her greatest. Iconic comedic delivery. Stunning, precise, detailed character work. More than in her academic dramas. There's a reason why this is the performance that crossed a generational bridge and made her the Star and Legend who she is in this current phase of her career. She has all of the charisma that she has in Adaptation., but does even more with (lesser?) material (though I am no longer convinced that Adaptation. is SO much better). And unlike your Cate Blanchetts in Blue Jasmine (performances where both of them have at least a degree of contempt for their characters and their values), Meryl can at least understand her character's impetus, connect all the dots, and find a human in the midst of all the factors and circumstances she might not immediately relate to.

Hardys
10-04-2017, 06:15 AM
I agree with that, my dear David, and her breakdown scene in Prada is what truly sells that performance. I've heard it was filmed in only one take which is pretty impressive because it shows Streep immediately got a grip of who that woman was and the constant façade she had to endure in order to maintain her unadulterated position of power. It's so hard to capture that ambiguity but Streep did so and rather brilliantly.

I still, however, maintain that her Susan Orlean is one of her best performances of all time. It's not just charismatic or fun: that's oversimplifying that performance in a way you guys don't want others to oversimplify her Miranda Priestly. In that performance Meryl captures the essence behind her 70's/80's work and adopts a more technically perfect acting method (less reliant on her star-power charm) for a woman who's technically perfect. Perhaps not in the flashy, biting, hilarious way Miranda is but still a very stable, empowered, successful woman. And just like Miranda, she feels unhappy. Something's missing but she can't quite put her finger around it. And as the film unravels, we see the inner turmoil of this woman coming to surface in the most tragic and hopeless of ways.

I thoroughly disagree with this simplistic notion that she's "just" charismatic fun in Adaptation. If anything, a REAL (:deal:) Streep fan/The Devil Wears Prada fan would understand how both are companion pieces in the study of rich, powerful women "who have it all" but that are silently aching for the missing piece of the puzzle they can't seem quite know how to complete. The executions may be wildly different but at the core they both show Streep was at the top of her game.

Lumierre
10-04-2017, 06:17 AM
Adaptation is a great, great performance and shows a lot of range - the sadness (that great voiceover monologue at the dinner party and another later on, plus when she is cradling poor dead Chris Cooper), the "being a normal person" quality she has as Susan Orlean in public, the stellar comedic aspects, and then the flat out batshit crazy part in the swamp. Maybe she did each individual thing better in other roles (although that phone call scene is pretty damn unique) but the whole breadth of it all in this character is remarkable. The movie is so good too! I do feel like it goes a little too off the rails in the last segment, but overall there are just too many insights and funny parts for it to not be special. Has there ever been a better work about writer's block? I don't think so.

Hardys
10-04-2017, 06:21 AM
Adaptation is a great, great performance and shows a lot of range - the sadness (that great voiceover monologue at the dinner party and another later on, plus when she is cradling poor dead Chris Cooper), the "being a normal person" quality she has as Susan Orlean in public, the stellar comedic aspects, and then the flat out batshit crazy part in the swamp. Maybe she did each individual thing better in other roles (although that phone call scene is pretty damn unique) but the whole breadth of it all in this character is remarkable. The movie is so good too! I do feel like it goes a little too off the rails in the last segment, but overall there are just too many insights and funny parts for it to not be special. Has there ever been a better work about writer's block? I don't think so.

Barton Fink (Coen Brothers, 1991)
The Lost Weekend (Billy Wilder, 1945)

McTeague
10-04-2017, 07:50 AM
OMG DGia!!!!

Were you afraid that the distance was making my love for you cool off, or something? It wasn’t, because I know you’re capable of this clear-sightedness!

I desperately wanted to love Adaptation, and Meryl in it. On paper it had everything I like: delirium, intelligence, brilliant meta layers, etc. In execution, everything became so obvious, almost puerile. It’s kind of fun, but it’s not very illuminating or insightful, either about the creative process, or about creativity, or about Hollywood and its clichés… It’s all almost clichéd? And sadly Meryl’s perf shares this traits, and nothing in her portrayal gets beyond the level of a very broad (and very self-aware) caricature.

Also, Meryl’s best movie is A Prairie Home Companion, although Bridges is probably second best. And as Blasty would want it, it’s a very popular opinion that Bridges is better than Adaptation, as the TSPDT Top 1000 proves!

And both DGia and Sara are right that Prada is so much better acting on Meryl’s part. I won’t say why because I’d just repeat everything David has said many times. And She Devil’s is Meryl’s second best comedic performance. Maybe it’s the best, though?

Hardys… At least he’s right about one thing: Barton Fink is so much better a film about writers’ block than Adaptation! (Lost Weekend too, but I wouldn’t call that a film “about” writers’ block, it’s about alcoholism, the victim happening to be a blocked writer).

And since DGia did it, why can’t I? Meryl ranking, with commentary:

PERFORMANCES:

:bow:
1- The Bridges of Madison County (masterpiece of acting)
2- Sophie’s Choice (same)
3- Silkwood (wonderfully against type)
4- She-Devil (hilarious)

:love:
5- Into the Woods (Breathtaking in the songs)
6- The Devil Wears Prada (Does wonders with a silly role/movie)
7- Out of Africa (Lovely, fleshed out, moving)
8- August: Osage County (Underrated and misunderstood)

:thumbsup:
9- Manhattan (Small role, but she’s fun and utterly believable)
10- The Deer Hunter (A tad underplayed, but very solid work)
11- A Cry in the Dark (Not much to do except stoically clench jaw, but does as much as anybody could with the role)
12- Doubt (Campy fun, endlessly gif-able, yet also strangely realistic here and there)

:)
13- A Prairie Home Companion (Good, but a tad self-aware next to Tomlin)
14- Lemony Snicket’s A Series of Unfortunate Events (Fun but self-aware)
15- Death Becomes Her (Fun but self-aware)

:shrug:
16- Mamma Mia! (Good in the songs, auto-pilot the rest)
17- Kramer vs. Kramer (Bland overall, but I owe guany a reply)
18- One True Thing (Bland too)

:sage:
19- Adaptation (Just too self-aware, and I didn’t even laugh)

:lol:
20- The Hours (LOL)
21- Ironweed (Terrible)

Not ranked: Julia (Ha! Good attempt at doing Redgrave!)

MOVIES:

*****
1- A Prairie Home Companion

**** ½
2- Manhattan

****
3- Bridges of Madison County
4- The Deer Hunter
5- Out of Africa
6- Into the Woods

No1Curr about the rest.

Cinesnatch
10-04-2017, 07:58 AM
I love Meryl in Postcards and Defending Your Life. Possibly her two most subtle/understated performances (for the most part).

Not sure what you would think of them.

OnTheAisle
10-04-2017, 09:05 AM
Barton Fink (Coen Brothers, 1991)
The Lost Weekend (Billy Wilder, 1945)

Absolutely! And one more . . .

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

Hardys
10-04-2017, 09:20 AM
I would never rank the Meryl in A:OC over the Meryl in Bridges as misunderstood and underrated as you might consider that performance to be. Ever. Unless La Giancarla has a personal bond with that performance for many reasons other than the acting techniques themselves, I think it's almost blasphemous to rank it that way.

And I hated Adaptation. Talk about every Kaufman-ism that makes me :rolleyes: being hammered repeatedly to my face until it becomes a bloody pulp. Nicolas Cage is absolutely horrid there.

DeltaEst1903
10-04-2017, 11:25 AM
Doubt is McT certified! :cry:

But Manhattan over Cry? :sage:

Inky
10-04-2017, 11:41 AM
Lol, this thread.

Not gonna go too deep into this, but out of her Oscar nominated ones, her performances in The Bridges of Madison County, Sophie's Choice, Silkwood, A Cry in the Dark, Adaptation and The Devil Wears Prada are masterful. My fave Meryl performance however is Plenty. She is beyond incredible in it. It really saddens me that the movie got overshadowed by Out of Africa the same year.

I don't get the Adaptation criticism. People have criticized her for years for not taking any risks when it came to her choices in directors, scripts and roles and always going with the Oscar-baity, heavy dramas with such serious character roles. In Adaptation, she does the complete opposite and still gets shit for being a caricature or not giving a laugh out loud performance in a movie that wasn't supposed to be a laugh out loud movie to begin with. Her transformation from a hopeless writer who feels lost and disconnected to the world into this cocaine-snorting nut job is close to genius. I'm sorry that some of you fail to see it.

Ironweed is not a Streep movie and it's a supporting role. It's very much a Nicholson movie as it revolves around his character. I don't like the movie much as I also thought the book was boring, but her scenes with Nicholson are so good as well as their chemistry together.



Couple more random thoughts:

• Wtaf, Meryl?: I never understood why she did Before and After. To work with Liam Neeson? Probably. Awful

• Why, Meryl?: Rendition, Lions for Lambs

• Underrated performance in a movie that no-one has seen: Dancing at Lughnasa, possibly overshadowed by One True Thing

• Underrated comedic genius: Defending Your Life and Heartburn

• Great cast, horrible movie: The House of the Spirits







UPDATE: Oscar nominated performances ranking:
1. August: Osage County
2. The Bridges of Madison County
3. The Devil Wears Prada
4. Silkwood
5. Into the Woods* (Her singing parts. Monumental. Towering. The rest of the comedy/filler in between is just okay)
6. Sophie's Choice
7. Doubt
8. A Cry in the Dark
9. The Deer Hunter
10. Florence Foster Jenkins
11. Postcards from the Edge
12. Kramer vs. Kramer
13. Julie & Julia
14. Out of Africa
15. Adaptation.
16. The Iron Lady
17. The French Lieutenant's Woman
18. One True Thing
NS: Ironweed Not fully seen: Music of the Heart

Dave, this list is quite frankly embarrassing. Next time I see you in person, remind me to slap you. You need to explain this mess to me.

The Dark Poet
10-04-2017, 12:29 PM
August: Osage County is the one movie my mother didn't fall asleep in. It has its purpose :dally:

McTeague
10-04-2017, 12:37 PM
But Manhattan over Cry? :sage:

Cry is so overrated. I mean, only Streep stans talk about it. Outside of that bubble cinephiles definitely talk more about Bridges, Sophie's Choice and Adaptation as her best turns, and Manhattan as her best movie. Cry will always be that performance Streep fans say they prefer only to later vote for Close as the best of 1988 (or Huppert, the few who have seen her film). She really does very, very little in that movie. She just stoically stands there, proud and strong, for 2 hours, unless the brief moment in which she says "A Dingo Ate My Baby": there's no depth to that character. She's just... stoic. Not much more you learn about that poor woman through Meryl's perf.

Inky
10-04-2017, 12:48 PM
...unless the brief moment in which she says "A Dingo Ate My Baby": there's no depth to that character. She's just... stoic.

You do realize that's how Lindy Chamberlain was in real life..., right?

McTeague
10-04-2017, 12:56 PM
You do realize that's how Lindy Chamberlain was in real life..., right?

I do. A great Imitation of someone who doesn't let you the slightest bit into her psyche, in a movie that doesn't get into her psyche, does not a great performance make.

Anp
10-04-2017, 01:24 PM
August:Osage county is such a horrid movie, and a horrid performance by Meryl.No way. She's amazing as Violet Weston. Perfect amount of bitterness, acid sarcasm, and vulnerability. She gave such a layered performance, humazining a character that in the hands of a lesser actress could've easily become a caricature.
Benedict Cumberbatch was the horrid one, as usual.

I love her in Osage County, but it's not my favorite Meryl performance. That would be Doubt, and no one can convince me otherwise. And, of course, her legendary performance in Sophie's Choice that will always be considered one of the greatest of all time (rightfully so). Very few actors will be able to achieve what she did here. To show all that pain, all that suffering of someone living (or simply existing) with such a terrible burden.
And all the technicalities too! Learning to speak German and Polish with flawless accents. Truly impressive.
It's the performance that cemented her as the greatest actress of her generation, and maybe ever. A cultural landmark.
Her performance was so impactful that "Sophie's Choice" became a figure of speech, used even by people who haven't seen the film. And, let's be honest, Meryl IS the film.
Her impact :cry:

When will your faves?

EvaSofie
10-04-2017, 01:37 PM
August:Osage county is such a horrid movie, and a horrid performance by Meryl.
I honestly do not get the AOC hate. I mean the table scene and the dancing scene speak for themselves, but my favorite scene was in the bathroom with Barbara when she did this hand shaking thing, it gave me chills, just acting 101 right there. :love:

Lumierre
10-04-2017, 02:08 PM
You do realize that's how Lindy Chamberlain was in real life..., right?

Yeah, it's strange to see someone criticize the performance for being stoic. That is the point of the movie and Meryl's performance too. The woman didn't show much outright emotion in public and this made people think she was guilty. Streep was excellent at showing her love and her strength and her quirks, refusing to ever conform to society's expectation of how a woman should act. You can see this quality all the way through her performance, how she is protective of Lindy's defiance and wants to reframe history and public perception of "normality".


Barton Fink (Coen Brothers, 1991)
The Lost Weekend (Billy Wilder, 1945)

I don't think Barton Fink is as good sorry...and Lost Weekend is about alcoholism.

DeltaEst1903
10-04-2017, 03:52 PM
I think McTeague’s issue as far as Cry goes is more on the film than the performance. And I agree, the film is kinda a chore to go through.

Blasty
10-04-2017, 04:53 PM
To me the genius of A Cry in the Dark is just how stunning Meryl disappears into that character/real life person. I was amazed by the accent and just every aspect of the "stunt" aspect of that performance, was for me, incredible. She totally pulled the wool over my eyes and made me believe in the lived in quality of this person, and to me, that this character was so very different, obviously than Meryl, the degree of difficulty of this performance was high. I love the performance because like Sophie's Choice, I just don't know how she did it, how she so totally became her with such precision and finesse. And of course the cold and unlikable quality of the character was actually very fascinating. I mean, she just was very real and unsympathetic and a total enigma and I loved that about the performance. Just stunning. Genius.

McTeague
10-04-2017, 05:26 PM
That would be like praising some extra for playing a corpse with complete immobility. Yeah he was true to the character. It still doesn't require much depth? Just good mimicry. I don't care if it's uncannily true to the real character (although it's faithful only to what the media showed of her), it's still not a great character to play. Meryl did the best anybody could possibly do, but my interest for such a supposed feat is limited, because I don't think it's such an impressive feat, and I think acting is an art that can illuminate much more than this. And yes, a huge deal of the blame belongs to the film itself, which chose to show only what we already knew of her, but so what. Even if she did the best anybody could, it's fair to prefer performances in which she could do much, much more. The film in which a performance is can indeed limit the reach of the performance if its approach is superficial to the character and you don't provide the actor with scenes to go deeper.

Jeff Beachnau
10-04-2017, 06:00 PM
That would be like praising some extra for playing a corpse with complete immobility.

:tomoroper:

Contention
10-04-2017, 08:39 PM
I have always really liked Streep a great deal in Adaptation, because the wild writing of that movie and the presences of Cooper and Cage at their very best I think pushed Streep further than she usually goes elementally, but I have problems with so many of her other performances. The technical work is almost always virtuosic (just the way she pronounces some french phrases/words in Sophie's Choice is so precise), but she can't integrate it into something with the appearance of spontaneity, or a fountain of emotional intensity (like Joaquin in the processing scene in The Master, or DiCaprio in his last scene in Blood Diamond). I've always thought what Gary Oldman is doing in True Romance has everything Streep does at her best, and everything she can't do, which is why I love him so much.

Anp
10-04-2017, 09:10 PM
:tomoroper:lol, this reminded me of an interview I read with the actress that played a dead corpse in The Neon Demon. It's not always easy!

Hardys
10-04-2017, 09:20 PM
I have always really liked Streep a great deal in Adaptation, because the wild writing of that movie and the presences of Cooper and Cage at their very best I think pushed Streep further than she usually goes elementally

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I'm gonna stop you right there.

There's absolutely no excuse to even muster the idea that Nicolas Cage's presence would be the catalyst that would fuel/motivate a fellow actor to up their game, let alone that actor be someone like Meryl Streep. Even at his best (Leaving Las Vegas) he didn't lift anybody but was lifted instead by the expertise of the other half of the duo that SHOULD have won the leading acting Oscar for that film, Elizabeth Shue.

You're lucky I'm not calling the police.

Sara Allorn
10-04-2017, 09:25 PM
Cage is sooooo bad in Adaptation. Like, why is he even discussed along side Meryl without the sentence "Meryl makes him look even more embarassing than he is" ?

Contention
10-04-2017, 09:27 PM
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I'm gonna stop you right there.

There's absolutely no excuse to even muster the idea that Nicolas Cage's presence would be the catalyst that would fuel/motivate a fellow actor to up their game, let alone that actor be someone like Meryl Streep. Even at his best (Leaving Las Vegas) he didn't lift anybody but was lifted instead by the expertise of the other half of the duo that SHOULD have won the leading acting Oscar for that film, Elizabeth Shue.

You're lucky I'm not calling the police.

Cage unhinged is the pinnacle of over-the-top acting. Married to a good script he can be sublime, the way he is in Adaptation. Meryl Streep could never replicate what Cage is doing in Deadfall. She's just not that wild or able to summon it. Don't talk to me about boring Cage like Leaving Las Vegas.

Hardys
10-04-2017, 09:27 PM
Cage is sooooo bad in Adaptation. Like, why is he even discussed along side Meryl without the sentence "Meryl makes him look even more embarassing than he is" ?

I always said I would like to have twins in the future but then I saw Adaptation.

EvaSofie
10-04-2017, 09:29 PM
I have always really liked Streep a great deal in Adaptation, because the wild writing of that movie and the presences of Cooper and Cage at their very best I think pushed Streep further than she usually goes elementally, but I have problems with so many of her other performances. The technical work is almost always virtuosic (just the way she pronounces some french phrases/words in Sophie's Choice is so precise), but she can't integrate it into something with the appearance of spontaneity, or a fountain of emotional intensity (like Joaquin in the processing scene in The Master, or DiCaprio in his last scene in Blood Diamond). I've always thought what Gary Oldman is doing in True Romance has everything Streep does at her best, and everything she can't do, which is why I love him so much.

She doesn't speak French in Sophie, she speaks German...