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  • Beverly Hills 90210

    11 40.74%
  • Dawson's Creek

    7 25.93%
  • Desperate Housewives

    14 51.85%
  • Empire

    7 25.93%
  • Glee

    5 18.52%
  • Grey's Anatomy

    13 48.15%
  • How to Get Away with Murder

    10 37.04%
  • Melrose Place

    9 33.33%
  • The OC

    11 40.74%
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Thread: TV Idol S3/R1: Primetime Soaps - Legacy + Cliffhanger

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    TV Idol S3/R1: Primetime Soaps - Legacy + Cliffhanger

    TV Idol - Season 3:
    PRIMETIME SOAPS

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    Welcome to this summer season of TV Idol! In our brief special version of this iconic show, we will be celebrating the wonderfully over the top world of primetime soap operas. Unlike in other seasons, the 9 contestants will be competing with more than just episodes of the shows. In each round they'll be selecting an aspect of their series that contributes to the unique appeal of primetime soaps.

    For R1 each contestant was asked to describe the LEGACY of their show -- in what ways is their series important to the history of the genre? They also plucked out the most iconic CLIFFHANGER moment in the show's history. Below is their take on why they chose what they did.

    Please vote for as many or little as you want based on overall legacy + contribution to the world of primetime soaps and the selected cliffhanger moment. This is a game. Votes are a strategic tool. That's why I'm not regulating how many anyone votes for. Let passion prevail.

    This is a non-elimination round with a 24-hour voting window. The results will be added to R2 where the three shows with the lowest combined votes will enter the season's first SAVE round where two will be eliminated.

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    ROUND 1:
    LEGACY + CLIFFHANGER

    BEVERLY HILLS 90210
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    LEGACY: Beverly Hills, 90210 is “the ultimate teen tv” according to The Guardian, whilst Entertainment Weekly states “This Fox drama was the first of its kind, creating the blueprint for the modern primetime teen soap“. 90210 lasted 10 years, airing for the entire 1990s decade. It received Golden Globe nominations and even an Emmy acting nomination. It’s had spin offs, reboots, remakes, you name it. Beverly Hills, 90210 started the franchise that went on to include Melrose Place, Models Inc, 90210, Melrose Place 2009 and the upcoming BH 90210 with the original gang. That’s 29 years of television. How many shows can make that claim? The original show laid the pathway for Dawson’s Creek, The OC and many others. Where would they be if 9010 hadn’t been such a cultural phenomenon? The show (the early seasons in particular) may feel dated now, with its early 90s fashion and car phones but it introduced its audience to issues they may not yet have been talking about, such as AIDS, safe sex, drug use and alcohol abuse. And while the show was big on music of the time (Dreams, by The Cramberries, Lovefool by The Cardigans and Christina Aguilera guest performing, it was also big on using classics of the 50s and 60s. It was this show that introduced be to some of Motown’s classics, Frankie Valli and others.

    I’ve never been a good writer, so this overview of the series doesn’t do the show justice. What I will say is this: 90210 may not be your favourite, in fact, many of you probably can’t stand it but this first poll is about legacies. 90210’s legacy not only lives on but also continues to expand as we see the original gang back together this August in a new 90210 series. 30 years of teen angst and counting. Also, it made sideburns cool again.

    CLIFFHANGER: Season 3, Episode 4: Sex, Lies and Volleyball/Photo Fini - After a flirtatious few weeks and directly after scorning David for fooling around on Donna, Kelly enters Dylan’s beach club bungalow, where he is waiting for her. Kelly grins at him and locks the door behind her, with Brenda still in Paris.

    DAWSON'S CREEK
    MrFilmkritik

    LEGACY: Dawson's Creek is not only one of the best shows of all time, but it also changed the landscape of teen television with other WB shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It tackled controversial topics, teens all around the world related to Dawson and all the other main characters, and DC showed that the problems of teens are just as important as the problems of adults. The show inspired future shows like One Tree Hill, it basically paved the way for teen shows. Today's teens will never experience something like Dawson's Creek ever again, a teen show that will remain as beloved to them years later, because even though there are more than 400 scripted shows on the air right now, there are not a lot of teen shows where the teen characters experience love and heartbreak for the very first time.

    CLIFFHANGER: Joey and Dawson's first kiss (1x13)

    DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES
    Peppin

    LEGACY: For the episode showing the legacy, I choose Finishing the Hat. What can I say about this that it does not speak for itself? The human condition, which includes death (Mrs. McCluskey's death, a sassy, grumpy, but good at heart character, which turned to be pivotal at the end of the series, when she put her friends' good before her own, making all of us love her even more), life (Julie giving birth), compassion, reconciliation, humor, love&marriage (the last desperate housewife addition who just got married) and, most of all, friendships, is complex, but all of its aspects are shown here, in what I consider to be a compelling conclusion of the series. The girls have their last poker game and, even though they promised it wouldn't be their last, it actually turned out to be like that. Because life is full of surprises. They have been through so much together, trough all the hardships these years, but life goes on. The memories remain. And, with the last moments of the show, we take a last view at the Wisteria Lane, with all the characters which left a mark in this show. And we are shown the cicle of life and of a true soap opera when a new neighbour moves in the house of the original desperate housewife, having her own secrets and misteries.

    CLIFFHANGER: As for the cliffhanger moment, there are so many to choose from. But, for me, the most memorable one is in If It's Only In Your Head. One of the reasons is because Dave was the most terrifying antagonist. You could feel the sociopath in him by seeing his eyes. If his shakespearean attempt succeded, it would have resulted in Susan watching helplessly, as she is tied, her ex-husband, Mike, killing their own son, in a car crash. Up until that moment, Mike left his fiance at an airport to come save his family, who was at Dave's mercy. These were the scenes that scared me the most in the whole series. In the other storylines, you have the most unexpected pairing in Bree's case, Lynette believing that her cancer is back and Gaby being outplayed by a younger version of herself. The season finishes with Mike kissing an unknown bride.

    EMPIRE
    leothescorpio

    LEGACY: When Empire debuted in 2016, no one knew how big it would become. Especially since we haven't seen an African-American family in such a profound way on television, PERIODT. We had not seen a television show with a predominantly black cast helmed by an incredible group of actors. Empire broke almost every ratings record on primetime television by increasing its viewership every week and drawing much praise from the industry (including Stephen King!) for it's brilliant way of storytelling. Before Empire we had not seen an openly gay black man live his truth on network TV. And the show also reminded us that the incomparable, underrated Taraji P. Henson is a force of nature with her iconic line reading every episode. Say what you want about the show post season 1, but it's legacy is cemented as one of the greatest primetime soaps of our time, PERIODT.

    CLIFFHANGER: In Season 2 of Episode 10, "Et Tu, Brute?" a pregnant Rhonda Lyon (Kaitlyn Doubleday) is pushed down the stairs by someone wearing black gloves. The final shot is devastating as Rhonda lies at the end of the stairs in a pool of blood.

    GLEE
    VannVicente

    LEGACY: Aside from the wild popularity of Glee in its hayday, it epitomizes the modern teen primetime soap in a way no other show quite does. Its characters are incredibly diverse, with Murphy trying to explicitly cast as far across the spectrum as possible. Its storylines range from wildly unrealistic to incredibly vivid and authentic. Its songs draw from all genres and artists, with obscure indie bands and history's greatest popstars alike being covered in the Glee-verse.

    But most of all, it builds on the idea that teen life is just one gigantic mess of feelings. Glee's first few seasons are satirical, yes, but they're also gooey and warm and express a lot of affection for their characters. Glee unionized outcasts, nerds, theater kids, and the "losers" across the world. It made everyone think that singing in a glee club was cool. That is no easy feat.

    While it's possibly the least consistent show ever aired on television - with its highs being ridiculously high and its lows crumbling before your eyes - it is undeniably a turning point in television. Glee introduced some of the most groundbreaking storylines to wide, global teen audience. Sometimes too brazenly, but often from a place of love. Proud mary on wheelchairs. A football team dancing to Single Ladies to express support for a gay friend. A character with down syndrome that becomes her own person in the series. And my personal favorite example - in its later seasons - a large, intimidating, seemingly touch-as-nails woman (who later transitions to a man) who is abused by their husband, finding the courage to speak up about that situation.

    At the end of the day, Glee is always going to be defined by their cover of "Don't Stop Believing" shown in the first episode. Because it is in that coming together between a bunch of misfit students, a bad Spanish teacher, and a popular football player we'd all grow to love, that it truly comes across what Glee is all about. It's about the idea that we should never stop believing, no matter what.



    CLIFFHANGER: Season 3, Episode 14 - "On My Way" - In literally the last 10 seconds of this mid-season fianale, one of the characters, Quinn, gets hit in an extremely jarring car accident because she's texting. Not only is it an incredibly compelling cliffhanger as the show wouldn't come back on for six weeks, it also ends on a clincher in that it happens right as she was on her way to the wedding where her friend and main character, Rachel, is about to get married. Fans speculated for weeks about whether Quinn was dead, alive, they analyzed the footage to see if it reveals anything about her condition, etc. Ultimately, Quinn survives the crash, but to call it a "soapy cliffhanger" is an understatement.



    GREY'S ANATOMY
    klariso

    LEGACY: There's a reason why Grey's Anatomy is now running for 15 seasons and has been officially been renewed for two more seasons already. While loyal to its soap-ish nature, Grey's Anatomy has managed to be more than that, combining romance, drama, outrageous medical stories, even camp during its 300+ episodes. One thing that Grey's has mastered the act of doing cliffhangers, for the good and the bad. But while Grey's had its share of bad cliffhangers, when they're good, they're great! One best example of it was the Season 1 cliffhanger after we've treated to a few episodes of the Derek and Meredith and build up their pairing together, comes the character of Addison Montgomery (played to perfection by Kate Walsh), to introduce herself as Derek's wife. "And you must be the woman who's been screwing my husband" still rings a bell.

    CLIFFHANGER: Who's Zoomin Who (Season 1, Episode 9)

    HOW TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER
    DameOctaviaSpencer

    LEGACY: Created by Peter Nowalk and produced by Shonda Rhimes, How to Get Away with Murder is a series that knows no boundaries, a show that has made TV history. The diverse cast is led by the remarkably talented Viola Davis, who made Emmy history in 2015 when she became the first black actress to win the Emmy Award for Lead Actress in a Drama Series for her brilliant turn as Professor Keating. The show revolutionary for showing a black actress in such a compelling, complex and not at all stereotypical role: Annalise Keating is a powerful, multi-dimensional and exciting character for all TV viewers. But the show can not only be loved for the ensemble: the legal melodrama expresses opinions on important topics such as race, morale, and the injustice. When a series raises its voice on issues that go beyond its boundaries, it appears to be more of a simple entertainment program. How to Get Away with Murder speaks against a corrupt and inconsistent system in which underprivileged people suffer. And it does this with a twisted structure. There is a new mystery in every season, but nothing is predictable and everything is connected. The series is moving forward with brave, creative solutions. The show is not afraid to bring its central players to a challenging position because it is aware that it can only survive if it always brings new elements for its audience. #WhoKilledSam #WhoShotAnnalise #Who'sUnderTheSheet.... Consider this series if you like campy fun, but meaningful dramas with cliffhanger moments, diverse ensembles and well-educated show runners.

    CLIFFHANGER: the one in which the show reveals that it's Wes who is under the sheet, proving that the show is brave enough to kill off a main character to make the whole atmosphere even more exciting!

    MELROSE PLACE
    benutty

    LEGACY: Melrose continued the great tradition of overacting, ridiculous plotting and senseless co-mingling and affairing with your best friends' current and/or ex boyfriend. In terms of 90s television, you don't get more iconic than Heather Locklear's hair and clothing, Andrew Shue's body or Courtney Thorne-Smith's Brie Larson-basicness. Melrose put Los Angeles on the map -- who even knew it existed before?! -- and included faked deaths, kidnappings, yachts blowing up, arson, guns, sex, workplace harassment, models, motorcycles, Patrick Muldoon............. like what more could you ask for in a soap?

    CLIFFHANGER: Um obviously when Dr. Kimberly Shaw BLOWS UP the entire Melrose Place complex at the end of season 3. Icon only.

    THE OC
    Libs

    LEGACY: Welcome to The O.C., bitch!

    The O.C.'s legacy is too vast to explain in a few short sentences. Along with a rather goofy MTV reality series that premiered around the same time that I won't name, The O.C. helped to make Orange County, California a glamorous, magical wonderland of beaches, sudsy drama, and wish fulfillment.

    The classic "bad boy from the wrong side of the tracks makes good" trope was how The O.C. started but the show blossomed into much more. Who could forget Sandy and Kirsten Cohen, the parents everyone wished they had? Ryan Atwood's first meeting with the perenially irritating Marissa Cooper? Her mother, Kween Julie Cooper? Mother Eco Shailene Woodley randomly showing up as a child on the show at the beginning?

    Breakout characters like Seth Cohen helped make nerd culture fashionable again. His romance with Summer - unforgettable! Its stamp on the mid-2000s will be forever remembered, a time when indie rock and wink wink, self-depreciating humor became the hallmark of soapy dramas. It was the kind of show where the drama was great and all, but you really watched it for the heart. And the real estate porn.

    Plus the ICONIQUE theme song, which stands on its own:



    CLIFFHANGER: There's literally an episode of The O.C. called "The Cliffhanger," but that's not what we'll talk about for the show's best cliffhanger.

    The ultimate O.C. cliffhanger, the cliffhanger that launched a thousand memes, happened in the season 2 finale "The Dearly Beloved." Ryan's scuzzy brother Trey had earlier attempted to rape Marissa while high. Ryan ends up finding out the truth later and sets out to confront Ryan. The two engage in a violent scuffle, and when Trey has the upper hand, Marissa shows up. She begs Trey to stop and when he doesn't, she grabs for the nearby gun and shoots Trey to save Ryan, as Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek" begins playing. We're left to wonder what happens next as Seth and Summer show up on the scene and the season ends.



    This cliffhanger is ICONIC. It was parodied in an SNL skit which then went viral. Everything about it is gloriously melodramatic in the best way possible. I can't hear the Imogen Heap song without thinking of it.

    * * * * *

    Contestants:
    Clique for @Beverly Hills 90210
    MrFilmkritik for @Dawson's Creek
    Peppin for @Desperate Housewives
    leothescorpio for @Empire
    VannVicente for @Glee
    klariso for @Grey's Anatomy
    DameOctaviaSpencer for @How to Get Away with Murder
    benutty for @Melrose Place
    Libs for @The OC

    Planned schedule:
    R1 - Top 9a: Legacy + Cliffhanger - What is your show's legacy? What is its best cliffhanger moment?
    R2 - Top 9b: Season Premiere or Finale Episode - How well does your premiere set up / finale complete its season?
    R3 - Top 07: Outstanding Male + Female Characters - We love him. We hate him. We stan. + She slays all day in all ways.
    R4 - Top 06: Reboot! - Time to reboot your series with new actors.
    R5 - Top 05: Great Episode - Select one of your show's best episodes.
    R6 - Top 04: Lead Performer + Supporting Performer - Wait actually they should have won Emmys wtf.
    R7 - Top 03: Best Season - Select your show's most compelling season.
    SF - Top 02: Best Episode + Best Storyline + Best Performer - Played in three head-to-head matchups. Selections not previously submitted. Best 2 of 3 wins.

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    I don’t get how many we are supposed to pick but Dawson’s Creek all the way and only because of Jen since the show is way too conservative for these days, although at the time it was praised for having the first gay kiss on TV or something like along that line. Michellegend feminist icon serving big city girl goes to a small town and gets slut-shamed by a virgin cinephile obsessed with his dick; a prudish jealous tomboy wannabe and a boy who isn’t as worse as the first two but still fucks his teacher and has zero ground over her because of his gender.

    Jen Lindley was the most undeservingly treated character out of the main 4 because the writers later only knew how to cash-cow on the cheap romantic triangle story of the other three but she got her revenge by being the most interesting character of the show on retrospect and getting four Oscar nominations in real life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Protheus View Post
    I don’t get how many we are supposed to pick
    well..

    Quote Originally Posted by benutty View Post
    Please vote for as many or little as you want based on overall legacy + contribution to the world of primetime soaps and the selected cliffhanger moment. This is a game. Votes are a strategic tool. That's why I'm not regulating how many anyone votes for. Let passion prevail.

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    This wouldn't exist without The O.C. cliffhanger mentioned. You're welcome!


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    Omfg mine is so long lmfao

    I think the fact that I'm dead last with all that effort shows that yall didn't actually read what I had to say. Whatevs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VannVicente View Post
    Omfg mine is so long lmfao

    I think the fact that I'm dead last with all that effort shows that yall didn't actually read what I had to say. Whatevs.
    i actually buy Glee as a soap, it's just not my kind of soap. I like slutty adults and murder I wish someone had played with Revenge.

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    Thank you for all the suport bitchez, keep voting, kisses



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    Wait, so we don't have to vote based on the selected cliffhanger by the coaches, right?

    Then I vote Grey's but mostly because of these;





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    Why is María la del Barrio, or for that matter, the Thalia trilogy not included?

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    Lmao, I thought AW loved DC.



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    @benutty, can you edit my description. It looked like I didn't even bother with my submission when you place it like that.

    LEGACY: There's a reason why Grey's Anatomy is now running for 15 seasons and has been officially been renewed for two more seasons already. While loyal to its soap-ish nature, Grey's Anatomy has managed to be more than that, combining romance, drama, outrageous medical stories, even camp during its 300+ episodes. One thing that Grey's has mastered the act of doing cliffhangers, for the good and the bad. But while Grey's had its share of bad cliffhangers, when they're good, they're great!

    CLIFFHANGER: Who's Zoomin Who (Season 1, Episode 9). One best examples was the Season 1 cliffhanger after we've treated to a few episodes of the Derek and Meredith and build up their pairing together, comes the character of Addison Montgomery (played to perfection by Kate Walsh), to introduce herself as Derek's wife. "And you must be the woman who's been screwing my husband" still rings a bell.


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    Quote Originally Posted by benutty View Post

    Planned schedule:
    R1 - Top 9a: Legacy + Cliffhanger - What is your show's legacy? What is its best cliffhanger moment?
    R2 - Top 9b: Season Premiere or Finale Episode - How well does your premiere set up / finale complete its season?
    R3 - Top 07: Outstanding Male + Female Characters - We love him. We hate him. We stan. + She slays all day in all ways.
    R4 - Top 06: Reboot! - Time to reboot your series with new actors.
    R5 - Top 05: Great Episode - Select one of your show's best episodes.
    R6 - Top 04: Lead Performer + Supporting Performer - Wait actually they should have won Emmys wtf.
    R7 - Top 03: Best Season - Select your show's most compelling season.
    SF - Top 02: Best Episode + Best Storyline + Best Performer - Played in three head-to-head matchups. Selections not previously submitted. Best 2 of 3 wins.

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    Love this, but don't make us write essays every round, pls lol!

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    Thank you all for the support! This fifth place is an amazing start!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DameOctaviaSpencer View Post
    Love this, but don't make us write essays every round, pls lol!
    true lol

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    90210 didn’t really do cliffhangers, so I went with the episode that lead to the Brenda/Dylan/Kelly love triangle which basically lasted the remainder of the series.

    But of these, Melrose Place all the way! Marcia Cross, star of two iconic soaps! And I like the season 1 Greys finale but seasons 2 and 5 were brilliant cliffhangers.

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    When does the next round start?

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    Are we suppose to send entries for Round 2 already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by klariso View Post
    Are we suppose to send entries for Round 2 already?
    I have

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